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US Position on Syria Tilts in Fvour of Russian Intervention


#1

US Position on Syria Tilts in Fvour of Russian Intervention

Gareth Porter

The major developments on the Syrian battlefield in recent months have brought a corresponding shift in the Obama administration's Syrian policy.

Since the Russian military intervention in Syria upended the military balance created by the victories of the al-Qaeda affiliate al-Nusra Front and its allies last year, the Obama administration has quietly retreated from its former position that "Assad must go".


#2

HIllary, I suppose, reflecting neocon thinking, is calling for a no fly zone over Syria. Is she or isn't she wraping herself in the cloak of Obamaism?


#3

Gareth Porter lays-out in great detail the giant cluster-farce that is the Syrian civil war and conflict also a Sunni-Shia religious war. The US can only lose in this disaster as we have in Iraq and the innocent continue to be slaughtered and displaced. As HisStory writes, a "no-fly" zone as supported by Hillary could only make a bad situation far worse and potentially catastrophic. We already have Turkey/Erdogan intentionally undermining and inflaming the Syrian conflict attacking the Kurds to deal with.

I fail to see how the US can "take advantage of shared US-Russian strategic interests regarding ISIS" when Obama delivered more heavy weapons that further inflame the delicate Ukraine situation, increasing pressure on Russia and continuing betrayal of commitments to not surround Russia or promote ex-Soviet bloc countries into NATO increasing/supporting provocations and isolation of Russia. The Crimea was predictably re-annexed by Russia as a result of those betrayed pledges especially as the Ukraine has such a history of fascist support. The areas in Ukraine overwhelmingly ethnic Russian, like the Crimea and others in the east, overwhelmingly supported the Russian position rather than the Ukraine US puppet.


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Ooh the poor al-Nusra Front and poor old Daesh, Slick Oily has betrayed them! Don't cry you fools! All you had to do was talk to a couple of the dopes who voted for him twice, they could tell you all about being betrayed by the Hope-A-Dope!


#5

Talk about a war with no good guys. (well, maybe the Kurds, sort of.) On one side religious fanatics, other side a brutal dictator. Umbrella over it all, a Shiite, Sunni civil war. Sheesh.


#8

Ukrainian President Poreshenko (otherwise known as Count Chocula!) had better be taking notes as should all of Central and Eastern Europe. The Russian military is learning to fight in a unified military service manner and getting practical experience with special forces, air power, and army units coordinating their actions.
They are also deploying their most advanced air defense systems from Syria to east Asia with whom they have formed a partnership to defend what they see as the existential threat to their economic and political survival.
Those devoted followers of the Polish potentate, Zbigniew Brzezinski, are going to be in for a rude awakening when that Russian bear strikes back at a time and in a manner of its choosing (thank you George "Dumbya" Bush for that line!).


#10

Whatever floats your boat Jimmy. If you like him, you would have loved his Dad.


#12

The US was warned about this kind of development:
"In time of actual war, great discretionary powers are constantly given
to the Executive Magistrate. Constant apprehension of War, has the same
tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty.
The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the
instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim
to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all
Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved
the people."
and
"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the
most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every
other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes;
and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing
the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the
discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in
dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied: and all the
means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force,
of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced
in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing
out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals,
engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
James Madison

As philosopher-poet George Santayana observed:
" ‘Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."


#13

I have stated all along that this so called "war on Isis" on the part of the Western powers was a farce. I pointed out that ISIS needed supplies and LOTS of them in order to operate in the field and there had to be a reason why those supply lines not cut.

There is no way on this earth any can convince me that the closing of those supply lines by the Russian Airstrikes was something the US Military incapable of doing. They did not do it because they did not want ISIS defeated.

Russia has put the US king into check. The US really has no choice now but to claim their support for Russia otherwise their entire covert operation is exposed. The US will now try other methods of forcing their hegemony over Syria and that might well lay with a joint Turko-US invasion of Syria ao as to sieze territories.


#15

I understand ZB's family were landholders in Galica. Funny how those of well-off eastern European origin now living in the USA seem to want to re-fight the the Russian civil war of 1917-1926 in whatever way they can.


#16

"As described by Washington Post correspondent Liz Sly’s official US source, the policy was to put "sufficient pressure on Assad’s forces to persuade him to compromise but not so much that his government would precipitously collapse...."

How credible is it that this was the position of Washington? Not very. Certainly, it would accept Assad's resignation and capitulation, but that it wasn't willing to see the government collapse in order to get rid of Assad is not in evidence. We were pursuing the same policy followed in Iraq and Libya and we still are, except that events are unlikely to let that happen, and we will hear a lot about our desire to prevent the Syrian government from collapsing.

If the new official position benefits the people of Syria, crediting the US with enlightenment is small price to pay.


#17

HRC is not stupid but she is the quintessence of Evil.


#18

When did the last mass beheading of convicted passive protesters occur in Syria. The real protagonists of chaos and champions of that US infestation of State Department neoliberals are Saudi Arabia and the Israeli fascists. Assad's transgressions are venial compared to those perpetrated by that Axis of Evil in the Near East.


#19

I don't like making comparisons of which mass murderer is the least bad but in this case certainly, the US is in the similar to the fox calling out the chickens on account of their bad behaviour.