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War, Peace, and Bernie Sanders


#31

Nor will I Ray… for either the donald or hillary…Hope I didn’t suggest any other course.


#32

The MSM is reporting that Trump and Clinton are the presumptive nominees, nation wide polls say that most people don’t trust either one of them. The same polls indicate that Clinton would lose to Trump in the general election while Sanders would beat any of the republican candidates.
The MSM just reports what the RNC and DNC tells them.
The MSM should be called what it is…the Department of Propaganda.


#33

Bernie just needs to survive the ridiculous narrative coming from the media just a little longer, until the primaries leave the atavistic south.

Bernie has now received 56% of the votes outside of the south. Don’t hear the msm mention this do you?


#34

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#35

And here’s a story about Hillary’s role in Honduras:


#36

I don’t see why she had to quit the DNC to back Bernie. DWS is clearly manipulating what ever she can for ol’ Hill.
But Gabbard must have more integrity than DWS, it wouldn’t take much.
I get so mad when I hear Clinton and Trump are the presumptives. Who the hell called the election so soon in? Trump could still be beaten and so could Clinton. The lame stream media just keeps jabbing Bernie by assuming and saying Hillary will win. I can’t watch them anymore they are such sold out liars.


#37

We should all as Hillary why so many Honduran women and children are at our southern border. She is guilty and should have to answer for this horrific situation.
Then again there are so many.


#38

Well Hillary is for more wars than Obama has been and he has been horrible so lets hope Bernie wins and reels this insanity back in. Hell even Trump says we shouldn’t be in Syria and Russia could be a good Ally. He’s still a nut but you would never hear those words from warhawk Hillary.


#39

Well Stein is a hell of a lot better than Billy the Dancing Goat and she promises such a different course … Get her into the debates

http://www.jill2016.com/romney_obama_vs_open_debates


#40

" …because he’s the only candidate who is not financially and psychologically tied to the military-industrial complex." this refutes the “real left” mind-readers who trash Bernie on imagined failures in the future - give the guy a little credit please!

Tell that to Lockheed Martin - will he ditch the F-35? His “failures of the past” are not “imagined” - that’s why you don’t see a whole lot of discussion about them - best to keep them out of sight, until after the election …


#41

Truman said it best. When Nazis are winning we will suport the Russians, when the Russians are winning we will support the Nazis. I for one will always be forever grateful for the Russians defeating Nazi Germany. How we could betray our ally in WW2 and cozy up to Germany and Japan was insane.


#42

sorry. from world socialist website:

Bernie Sanders: Silent partner of American militarism
By Patrick Martin
27 August 2015

Bernie Sanders now leads frontrunner Hillary Clinton in polls of Democratic voters in New Hampshire, the first state to hold a primary, and he is closing the gap in Iowa, the first caucus state, and in national polling as well. The Vermont senator continues to attract large crowds, favorable media attention (including a flattering front-page report in the New York Times August 21), and a flood of campaign contributions.

The flaccid and unimaginative media punditry has largely ignored a significant void in the Sanders campaign. The White House aspirant has offered not the slightest hint of what he would do as commander in chief. Four months into the campaign, Sanders makes little or no reference to foreign and military policy in his stump speech. The subject of foreign policy is not even addressed on the Sanders campaign web site, which lists 10 topics, all of them concerned with domestic policy.

A report on Yahoo News August 24 raises the question of “How President Bernie Sanders would handle foreign policy.” It begins by taking note of this curious fact: “Bernie Sanders, the Independent senator from Vermont, has a special ‘War and Peace’ section on his official website, detailing his views on issues like Iraq, Afghanistan and the Middle East peace process. Bernie Sanders, the contender for the Democratic presidential nomination … doesn’t.”

The report goes on to detail the positions that Sanders has taken on a range of foreign policy issues, based on his voting record as a congressman and senator. His profile is typical of liberal Democrats, supporting the Clinton administration’s war against Serbia in 1999 and the Bush administration’s invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, while voting against the Persian Gulf War in 1991 and the Authorization for the Use of Military Force against Iraq in 2002. Sanders criticized Obama’s bombing of Libya in 2011—mainly because he did not seek congressional authorization—but backed his bombing of Iraq and Syria in 2014.

Sanders is a down-the-line supporter of the state of Israel, repeatedly endorsing Israeli onslaughts against the Gaza Strip, most recently the savage bombardment of July-August 2014 which killed nearly 2,000 Palestinians, including more than 500 children. At an August 2014 town hall meeting, Sanders notoriously demanded that audience members “shut up” when they questioned his support for Israel’s criminal actions.

He is a vociferous opponent of China in both economic and foreign policy, and backed the US intervention in Ukraine to foment a coup spearheaded by fascist elements to overthrow the pro-Russian government and set up a pro-Western stooge regime. “The entire world has got to stand up to Putin,” Sanders declared last year, at a time when the warmongering campaign in the US and European media was at its height.

Yahoo News summed up the candidate’s foreign policy profile as follows: “The picture that emerges is less that of a firebrand anti-war radical than a pragmatic liberal who regards military force as a second choice in almost any situation—but a choice that sometimes must be made.”

CBS News, in a profile of Sanders last week, noted his general alignment with the foreign policy of the Obama administration, including its war against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, its nuclear agreement with Iran, and its decision to normalize relations with Cuba.

The continued silence of Sanders on foreign and military policy has become something of an embarrassment to some of his left-liberal supporters. In a commentary published earlier this month on the web site of Al Jazeera America, media critic Norman Solomon, after expressing enthusiastic support for Sanders on domestic and economic issues, complained of the candidate’s refusal to address issues of militarism and military spending.

Solomon continues: “The same omissions were on display at an Iowa Democratic Party annual dinner on July 17, when Sanders gave a compelling speech but made no reference to foreign affairs. Hearing him talk, you wouldn’t have a clue that the United States is in its 14th year of continuous warfare. Nor would you have the foggiest inkling that a vast military budget is badly limiting options for the expanded public investment in college education, infrastructure, clean energy and jobs that Sanders is advocating.”

Sanders is not only generally aligned with Obama administration foreign policy, he has refused to specify a single weapons program or Pentagon project that he would cut or eliminate if elected in 2016. He is a longstanding backer of the most expensive US weapons program, the $1.4 trillion F-35 fighter jet, some of which are to be based in Burlington, Vermont, his hometown.

The so-called “socialist” has voted repeatedly for vast Pentagon appropriations bills, maintaining funding of the wars he was (rhetorically) opposed to, as well as funding for the CIA, NSA and the rest of the vast American intelligence apparatus, the infrastructure for police-state spying against the American people.

So right-wing is his record on foreign and military policy that even his most craven apologists, the pseudo-left groups Socialist Alternative and the International Socialist Organization, have been compelled to complain about it, although this has not stopped them hailing the Sanders campaign as a huge advance and openly supporting a candidate for the presidential nomination of the Democratic Party.

In a lengthy profile of Sanders, Dan LaBotz of the ISO describes Sanders’ foreign policy views as “a big problem,” adding, “What this record makes clear is that Sanders has no consistent and principled position against US imperialism.” This is a gross distortion: Sanders is a longtime proven defender of US imperialism, not a half-hearted or inconsistent opponent.

LaBotz continues: “Sanders’ program makes no mention of the military. While he calls himself a socialist, Sanders’ foreign policy and military policy remain in line with corporate capitalism, militarism, and imperialism.”

In other words, Sanders has nothing in common with the internationalist principles on which genuine socialism is based. He is cut from the same cloth as Tony Blair, the British “Labor” prime minister who was the junior partner of George W. Bush in perpetrating the criminal war in Iraq, and François Hollande, the French “Socialist” president who is Obama’s junior partner in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and throughout Africa.


#44

I think it is very important for everyone to pay attention to Bernie’s foreign policy. He is not exactly an Anti-War candidate. At best his foreign policy is unclear but in the debates he suggests we allow the Saudis and Qatar to lead the fight against ISIS. Are you F’n kidding me??? Though he may have voted against the Iraq war, he has a long history of supporting our regime change actions all over the world - he has supported all other military action we have taken abroad - and there has never been a military appropriations bill he hasn’t like. He is a staunch supporter of the military-industrial-complex. He has given hints that would suggest that he might be less hawkish than Hillary but we still need to look at his past actions and the things he is saying right now. There is no reason to believe he would even consider the things this article suggests. I really respect Gabbard but did she do her homework? Does she know something I don’t? I still feel the American Empire Party controls the eventual outcome in this game.

So here is my hope: because I really do appreciate Bernie’s rhetoric and destigmatization of socialism, I want him to continue this race right up to the very end. And then I want Hillary to win and I want the convention to be brokered or broken. I want her to arrive to the general election DOA. If Bernie inspires enough young people during these primaries - the young have already proven they don’t show up to the polls so, along with the super-delegate kill switch, Hillary WILL win this nomination - he could effectively break the Democratic wing of the Party of the Masters. And that is what I want to see. I want the Democratic (and Republican) wing to implode and forever lose the 25 and younger future voters of America. This makes possible a future with legitimate 2nd and perhaps third anti-establishment parties. In the immediate, this could very well benefit Jill Stein and the Green Party who I absolutely believe would be a spoiler for Hillary. I do not believe Trump could be worse than Hillary Clinton even though I don’t like the idea of empowering the most pained and fanatical element among us. Just a thought. If both wings of the American Empire Party/Party of The Masters are imploding, the future, through chaos, could be bright. Perhaps then we could start discussing a new global and national social design and finally dump the F out of capitalism for something new and better. My hope is for a sweet spot between libertarian socialism (look it up - not to be confused with libertarian capitalism or state socialism or even democratic socialism) and democratic anarchism. Fingers crossed.


#46

Koehler is really on to a big one here. Just like in Egypt, our oppressor isn’t the President or the Congress, it is the out of control war machine and it’s most staunch allies the military. The reason so much injustice is evident, corporate CEOs who do not even get indicted for THE BIG SHORT, etc. is that they are enjoying COVER from someone. This cover extends to media censorship and no discussion of the forbidden topic. Hey Rachel Maddow what was the deal with the third building in Manhattan that imploded exactly like the other two, without being impacted or burned in any way. Silence, and this is the COOL media. The one that feels your pain and has your back.

The NEOCON Foreign Policy establishment is beginning to sweat bullets. They are only safe and secure because of their COVER and their COVER is dependent on a Republican Establishment that has been SHUNNED and reviled by their constituents. Soon, if history is consistent we will see criminals getting nervous for their horrific crimes and their lawyers will advise to RAT OUT ANYONE THEY KNOW FOR A REDUCED SENTENCE. Imagine a repentant, tearful Condooleezzea Rice giving us a blow by blow of how and why Bush, Cheney, and the rest IGNORED the intelligence that led to the deaths of 3000. Even more interesting is the WHY they IGNORED intelligence about their plot.

President Trump has made it clear that hundreds of his ‘friends’ were killed in the Twin Towers. Imagine his shock when he learns that it wasn’t Muslims who killed all of his friends. In the collapse of the Republican monster, no-one is going to go down harder than the Republican ‘intellectuals’ who have been apologists for truly evil deeds. With his penchant for torture that makes waterboarding child’s play and considering his TRUE LOVE for the BUSH FAMILY, President TRUMP just might give W a job in lockdown drawing illustrations for children’s books.

You want to view the meltdown in action check out anything by David Brooks. Better put that dude on suicide watch. Like Hirohito learned, sometimes you have to think the unthinkable and confront the demons within. Thank You Tulsi Gabbard, you make me proud to be a kama’aina. Haribol


#47

The face and demeanor of evil backed up by her words…
From the Greenville Post

I am not exaggerating when I characterize it as something comparable to words which might have been written by… well, choose the name of any grisly dictator, but Adolph Hitler’s would have to be the one jumping to the minds of most people. This second letter’s words are absolutely chilling. If you think I’m exaggerating, here are Hillary’s words:

“Quite frankly, Israel didn’t teach Hamas a harsh enough lesson last year. True to form, Obama was too hard on our democratic ally, and too soft on our Islamofascist foe.

“As president, I will give the Jewish state all the necessary military, diplomatic, economic and moral support it needs to truly vanquish Hamas – and if that means killing 200,000 Gazans, then so be it.

“We realist Democrats understand that collateral damage is an unavoidable by-product of the War on Terror, and me being a mother, grandmother and tireless children’s rights advocate does not mean that I will flinch even one iota in allowing Israel to obliterate every last school-cum-rocket launching pad in Gaza. Those who allow their children to be used as human shields for terrorists deserve to see them buried under one-ton bombs.”

Let’s just analyze a few of the more unacceptable and repugnant statements in this letter.

“Israel didn’t teach Hamas a harsh enough lesson…”

In 2014, Israel killed over 500 children plus another 1,700 adults in Gaza, and that came after another invasion, 2008, and a series of operations beginning in 2006, which saw Israel kill more than another 1,500 Palestinians. It should be noted that the Palestinian population is a young one, so a disproportion of children is always at risk in any attack. We had reliable reports that Israeli soldiers grabbed Palestinian children to hold in front of them in a number of instances. We also had first-hand reports of families being targeted.


#50

Member of the Armed Services Committee Tells Truth to Power about Syria
Tulsi Gabbard from Hawaii, member of the Armed Services Committee, Iraq War Veteran and Major in the Hawaii National Guard is telling truth to power. In no uncertain terms it points out a fatal flaw in Hilary’s Syrian plan and US involvement as a repeat of the disaster in Libya 101 and to repeat the massacring of Christians and other minority groups.

She points out that involvement in Syria is illegal and supplies weapons to the terrorist enemies of the US and the rest of the world. This US Army Major is on top of her game and shows bravery and determination that every US Congressional representative should acknowledge and begs the question of their honesty, loyalty and sworn oath to protect the citizens of the United States of America.


#51

“Saudis and Qatar to lead the fight against ISIS”

It is these two who want a pipeline through Syria to Europe through Turkey that will enrich the oligarchs (monarchies) at the expense of Syria, Iraq, Iran and Russia. To the address of Russia it is the US neocons and neo liberals that want to undercut the Russian-European financial connections as in an act of financial war. Israel wants to annex the Golan Heights where the 3rd largest gas oil reserves in the world have been discovered recently.

So if US policy changes from predator (for what ever reason) we would have no reason to spill blood, treasure, commons and our inalienable rights. Remove Israel from its illegal occupation of the Syrian Golan Heights and attempted theft of Syria’s natural resources and what you have left is the three amigos or bandit predators Saudis, Qatar and Turkey whose ISIS proxy fighters of fake Jihad for money are no longer a threat as the Syrian coalition can handle them and the three wannabe Empires. Without the Monarchies wealth which is already dissipating and causing infighting with in the fake Royal family they will no longer be able to export Wahhabi extremism. The citizens will have their Arab Spring within the kingdom.

Just saying

Damn that sounds like a workable plan to me. I also think we should have a pipeline across the Bearing Straight to Alaska and down to the lower 48 so we could divert our treasure from the military industrial complex to rebuilding our infrastructure (US jobs) and maybe we can cash in on the high speed silk road as well. Canada could charge transit fees and leave the tar sands in the ground and save native water and property rights and resources. Win-Win, no more Middle East wars for oligarchs and transnational thieves.


#52

“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States —in the fields of commerce and manufacturing—are afraid of somebody. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.” - Woodrow Wilson


#53

If you’re basing your decision on climate change and protecting the environment, you shouldn’t vote for Clinton. She has and will support the “trade” agreement known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). Even Chamber of Commerce President Tom Donohue has stated she will support the TPP as president. The TPP lets the fossil fuel industry trump environmental regulations through both deregulation and through a corporate system under the Investor-State Dispute Settlement provision.

Btw–Trump strongly opposes the TPP–as does Sanders.


#54

Some very poignant points that people intending on voting for this “Big Rat” named Hillary need to read and re-read- And FINALLY understand!
Thanks for this Kinggear- I also often read the “Greenville Post”, an excellent truth telling website…