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#24

According to the Washington Post, of all papers, the “negotiators” in Brussels hinted to Tsipris that he risked a military confrontation with Turkey if he persisted in being difficult. It’s amazing to me that the Post would admit this, so I’m not sure what to make of it. See Post article


#25

That’s one of the more balanced news reporting from WaPo that I can recall. Thanks for the link. But what’s to make of that? Does it mean all the masks are off because they feel invincible or do they not understand how is it sounds to the vast hoi poloi of the world, or is it just a temporary slip up?


#26

It would appear that the näive American voters have been outclassed by their ambitious political
hacks, and this deprivation is the end result. There is no way that ordinary citizens can change this
metric. They can only tremble and hope for the best, which will never appear. A once great people
(40’s, 50’s, and early 60’s) has earned this indignity by trusting and ignoring a criminal political
class. Why do you think that people like the Clintons went head over heels into politics?


#29

Thank you, drone1066,

“a real connection with one another in physical space”

How to do that is exactly what we need to be talking about.

My next project (as soon as the computer work is done) will be to construct a mutual aid network a few blocks at a time called the “Neighborhood Village.” We will help each other with all of our skills, and join together in small groups, work teams and classes. We’ll be able to find each other on the data base website, but the rest will all be in person. Over 100 have already signed up, but as I say, we are waiting for the data base program.


#30

Hard to say, JonnyJames.

Reagan cut taxes on the rich from 70% to 24%. And once the rich have built up their stash sufficiently, further usurpations are inevitable.


#31

“… so easy! Anyone can do it. Presto!”

No, this is your caricature. No one ever in these threads has said any such thing.

“This ignores CENTURIES of not just control, but all sorts of psychological programming starting with religion that teaches FEALTY and unquestioned OBEDIENCE to authority figures.”

No again, such ignorance is what you impute to the people you attack. It’s easy for you to claim that another person, who said no such thing, adheres to what you assert they do. There’s a very good reason why the people you attack so often respond by saying “But i said no such thing!” And clearly you are not actually refuting Arby here - who in multiple places refers to “victims” and “victimized citizenry” but still insists that we victimized HAVE THE CAPACITY not just for awareness but for principled resistance - but you are using Arby as a prop, while you pummel your caricature.

“And to those in this forum who set up the either-or narrow option pool of “taking it” or “fighting back,” there is a romanticism about violent revolution that is not unlike the romanticism held by too many men for war. The ACTUAL event will quickly disabuse anyone of such romantic notions particularly since at this time, the types of weapons held by the armed guards who answer to the oligarchs (due to hierarchical chains of authority… directed from the top) WAY surpasses the types of guns that the NRA advocates and their Aryan Brotherhood enclaves have managed to amass.”

Wait, so Arby called for violent revolution? No again, THIS IS SR’S INVENTION. Arguing again against her own shibboleth, NOT the person she is supposedly responding to. As in the majority of her responses, she IMPUTES violence to a poster who has made no such assertion.

“… ultimately, the reach of harm and the extent of martial madness that’s part of the Control Machinery today is beyond what people CAN take down… THAT is why a systems collapse must come first… ALL over the world people have awoken to this… however, most will seek to protect their lives and I am not sure that millions being gunned down is going to lead to ANY improvements. The elites who now run things LIKE war… Whether this ilk is sociopathic, inhuman, or working with some off-world influence… the result is the same: a driving URGE to cull the human herd. Violent revolution just provides them with the pretext to do what they would prefer to do. Many DO see martial law slowly emerging within the U.S. and currently under the radar. All that’s needed is a trigger… stock market collapse? Border skirmish with Russia? Quake to the New Madrid fault? The FEMA documents and too many camps ARE in place. The NDAA and other odious anti-human rights “laws” are also waiting.”

The kernel at the heart of everything SR ever posts here: THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT ANYTHING. Aside from the fact that Arby DID NOT CALL FOR violent revolution, but instead falls back at the end of their post on hopes for divine intervention, SR shares in promoting helpless despair, as always asserting that WE CANNOT ACCOMPLISH A TRANSFORMATION OF SOCIETY but should meekly await systems collapse. Inspiring stuff! Any efforts to shift society away from its path of horror are framed as doomed, or are framed as the same violence as the elites dish out. Anyone here who asserts that we should be about the business of transforming society, is smeared by SR as a pro-violence patriarchal white male soldier boy.

This is what SR always argues. Maybe you have not noticed this kernel at the heart of everything SR does here, but pay attention, this is her message of helplessness and despair.

In fact, she has repeatedly written that our hope for a survivable future lies not in organizing for a survivable future, but in angels or space aliens saving us from ourselves. She frequents sites that go on and on about space aliens, as the SOTT site she has been plugging lately and plugs again here.

Many of us continue to argue that in fact “we” can play a role in history besides helpless hopeless victim awaiting the collapse of society, or pleading hoping supplicant awaiting divine or alien intervention. We are not actually doomed to submit to the psychopathic elite, and the more we wallow in our doom the more likely our doom grows. We can talk to each other and take care of each other, stake out social and cultural and economic spaces, and organize to resist and transform the systems of domination, atomization and individuation that currently feed the extractivist monster economy that is eating the Earth and the people.


#32

i super appreciate your reporting about actual organizing you are involved in. Way more inspiring than… other posts here.


#33

yeah, mutual aid is the key to our salvation. we’re doing similar things here in my town in colorado. the situation is pretty dire for most folks, but we’re up against a lifetime of propaganda and cynicsm and learned helplessness (which you can see on display in this place and on ther internet more generally on a daily basis). i’m disabled now so am working the last few years on the periphery, which sucks for a guy like me. But I ain’t dead yet and still have a ton of experience to share with my younger, more able friends.

righnow we’re working on a concept of “bounded pantries” which is essentially a small-ish network of neighborhood food distibution that is exclusive to only that neighborhood, meaning that we are more able to manage distribution across all times without having to worry about a larger run on supplies. the drawback is that we can’t accept other people in need even though they might not have systems set up, although if they’re in process, our plan is to do that. The goal is to limit runs and the ebb and flow of available resources, thus reducing stress and anxiety over food supplies.

2 years ib so far and still probably 1 or 2 out from opening. lots of white working class males in the area that are openly hostile to the project—that is, until they get hit and their attitude changes in a real hurry. But we’re also running into hostile churches who love to use food access as leverage for conversion tactics.

The labs of the future are in your neighborhood, right? :slight_smile: good luck, friend. let’s keep in touch and exchange notes.


#36

“working with some off-world influence…”
Just curious, the first time I have seen somebody bring up that idea, here.


#37

This is a key structural component of SR’s ““WE” are not to blame!” ideology: We have been infested by space aliens or other malign non-human influences! Humans are not actually responsible for the despoilation of the Earth and dis-integration of the ecology! “WE” would never have done such a thing on our own!

This is why SR has spoken numerous times here in positive terms about David Icke, who explicitly has developed his schtick [“theory”] that human society is controlled by a psychopathic race of shape-shifting human-reptilian genetic hybrids from a star in the constellation Draco the Dragon. No seriously.


#38

“… she has accused you and I as one in the same but fails to mention her multiple screen names…”

“i am you and you are she and she is me and we are all together…”

With apologies to John Lennon…


#39

“You, like the majority who post here–and have no DAY JOBS (curiously enough) allotting them the FREE TIME to repeat this message often…”

Gosh, has anyone ever noticed how many hours, at all times of day, Susan spends in the Common Dreams comment threads?

Clearly, the fact that we don’t know her work schedule, or even if she has any schedule, is STRONG EVIDENCE that she is a PAID POSTER for the DEEP STATE.


#40

Even more than that, Chris, “We Are All ‘Subjects’ Now” — of this extant but Disguised Global Crony-Capitalist Empire that is oppressing the Greeks, Iranians, French, imprisoned African Americans, working class British, non-elite Chinese, college educated women, poor children, middle-class men, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindues, Protestants, truck drivers, cops, scientists, fast food workers, and everyone on earth except the very tiny minority of ruling-elite sociopaths throughout our world who own and run this Empire only ‘posing’ as, and HQed in, our former country — and which EMPIRE is not recognized by most, which is precisely why it can get away by hiding behind the formerly good names of ‘America’, ‘our country’, ‘democracy’, ‘freedom’, ‘liberty’ — none of which EMPIRE is.

This thing, this disease, this cancer can not be cured until we clearly call this ‘thing’, Empire — which is the only thing that Americans and all people will Rebel against, and ignite a non-violent Second American Revolution against, once they understand that it is NOT ‘our country’, or ‘our flag’, or ‘our government’, or anything else we cherish that we are really Revolting Against — but that it is EMPIRE!

As Robinson clearly articulates and educates us:

“The U.S. state is a key point of condensation for pressures from dominant groups around the world to resolve problems of global capitalism and to secure the legitimacy of the system overall. In this regard, “U.S.” imperialism refers to the use by transnational elites of the U.S. state apparatus to continue to attempt to expand, defend, and stabilize the global capitalist system. We are witness less to a “U.S.” imperialism per se than to a global capitalist imperialism. We face an EMPIRE of global capital , headquartered, for evident historical reasons, in Washington.” [Caps substituted for italics in original]

Robinson, William 2014 “Global Capitalism and the Crisis of Humanity”

And as you noted yourself, Chris, in your new and fabulously revealing “Wages of Rebellion”:

“Assange, Chelsea Manning, and WikiLeaks, by making public in 2010 half a million internal documents from the Pentagon and the State Department— along with the 2007 video of US helicopter pilots gunning down Iraqi civilians, including children, and two Reuters journalists— exposed the empire’s hypocrisy and indiscriminate violence, as well as its use of torture, lies, bribery, and crude tactics of intimidation. WikiLeaks fulfilled the most important role of a press when it turned a floodlight on the inner workings of the powerful, and for this it has become empire’s most coveted prey. All those around the globe with the computer skills and inclination to make public the secrets of empire, from Jeremy Hammond to Edward Snowden, are targeted.”

Sent from my iPad


#41

Yes, Wise Owl, the ideology of fundamentalist crony-capitalism in the form of modern Empire, and at the hands of psychologically damaged and greedy children, has done with technology in less than two centuries what had never been possible in the world of ancient Emperors, divine Kings, absurd religions, or mad witch doctors.

This most modern Disguised Global Crony-Capitalist Empire, which poses as exceptionalist democracy and the essential country has almost applied the coup de grace to this worldly experiment of ten thousand generations of walking apes.


#42

We have about 50% of the world’s wealth but only 6,3% of its population.
… In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and
resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of
relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of
disparity. … To do so, we will have to dispense with all
sentimentality and daydreaming; and our attention will have to be
concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. … We
should cease to talk about vague and … unreal objectives such as human
rights, the raising of the living standards, an democratization. The
day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power
concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the
better.

That’s an excerpt of a strategic paper written for the US State Department.
You’ll find this excerpt in Noam Chomsky’s book “How the world works”.


#44

We are NOT “all Greeks now.” This generation recognizes low wage workers, but has disappeared our jobless poor, and many of the unemployable, showing their faith in the corporate state. In America, we believe that only those who are of current use to employers (the corporate state) are deserving of the most basic human rights (per the UDHR) of food and shelter. Even US liberals so strongly believe in the success of the corporate state that they think everyone is able to work, there are jobs for all, therefore no need for poverty relief. The people of Greece know better.


#45

Capitalism needs either a frontier to exploit or strict regulation that can only come from government. FDR set up a delicate balance of regulation to keep big business in check. It worked fairly well until the small-government mime took over under Reagan and slowly the revolution that he began gradually dismantled the protections that had been created in the 1930’s.

Since the end of feudalism and the dawn of capitalism we have known only two big centers of power - government and big business. The peculiarly American notion that government is, by its nature, an evil force that must be beaten down and kept at bay has the effect of putting all power into the hands of business. Surely that concentration of power is every bit as dangerous as putting all power into the hands of government, but that seems to be where we are at this moment in history.


#46

Actually, what you cite IS what the US has been doing. We simply chose a different strategy for maintaining upward wealth redistribution while implementing the austerity agenda. We have been doing it slowly, from the bottom up, while maintaining what is essentially a public re-education agenda concerning poverty. While we have been doing this, years of work have gone into deeply dividing the proverbial “masses,” middle class vs. the poor. Of course, we’ve reached the point where the rich are now doing to the middle class what the middle class already did to the poor.


#47

The masses need to wake up from their consuming stupor and realize they produce for the owners the goods that the owners sell back to them at a profit. Or, the owners hire foreign slaves for pennies and up charge for their shit 500 Times. And we fall for it over and over. Every time we buy some worthless piece of consumer good, we are subsidizing an owner’s Italian villa. We buy their carp so they can leech ofc our blood. This is what we have to get really damned angry about and hit the streets with pitchforks and tar and feathers, energy masse, cuz they can’t contain us by the thousands if we STAND OUR GROUND! Go, Chris, Go!


#48

From what I have been able to get info on-few news outlets discuss the numbers;the Greeks pay 50% in income taxes,20% in sales taxes,and in this new agreement the tax on food will be lowered to 13%. And understand the wealthy are the ones who want to stay in the Euro- and I bet the wealthy are the ones doing most of the tax evasion. And we in the US are deep in debt,and we are the consumers of the world. Its interesting the word consumer has con in it. And our consumption of Apple or Nike products is brought to us by slave wage conditions. No we are not the Greeks, we are something very different.