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'We Are In a State of Insurrection': Deep Inequality and Macron's Dedication to Elites Fuel Yellow Vest Uprising in France


#41

See a conflict between ecological-socialism and economic-socialism.

Ecological socialism puts saving the planet first, with doing it equitably towards all people second. They advocate for ‘degrowth’, a chosen decrease in economic activity as measured in the GDP. That means a decrease in the national income and per capita income.
– Carbon taxes are a free market approach to their goal. Everyone individually gets to decide where to cut their energy use and in what way they choose to suffer and accommodate for the sake of the planet.

Economic socialism puts equality first, with a wide assumption that bringing down the rich will mean a better life for the poor. Here we see the poor and the ‘bourgeois and workingman’s middle class (low end?)’ reject the ‘price’ they have to pay for the sake of the planet, and they express their resentments of the rich.

How will progressive-thought-leaders reconcile these two conflicting skeins of progressive thought? How do they propose to move forward to meet the goals of the planet, of the planet’s advocates, and of the mass of the people?


#42

Worth an additional remark that France has the highest tax burden in the OECD, at 46.2%, beating out Denmark the past few years, but without the level or quality of government services that the Danes get. :slight_smile:

And there is documentation that each year there are several, up to a few thousand, people in France who have been assessed taxes effectively at a rate > 100% of their income. (Their stupidity, in not arranging their affairs to avoid liability for such taxes.)

For amusement as we near the end of the tax year, Astrid Lindgren, 102% taxation
What follows is a free translation of the famous publication, which was published
pomperipossa in the Swedish evening tabloid Expressen on March 3, 1976.


#43

Just curious: In the US, we have simplified the “inequality” discussion by simply excluding the very poor from the discussion. Is it the same in France?


#44

Those we call “progressives” in the US have been unaware of our poor since at least the 1990s. My impression is that they think the worst-off any American can be is a temporarily homeless (but not on the streets) worker.