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'We Need Medicare for All': Coronavirus Job Losses Expose Danger of Tying Health Coverage to Employment



Which is why a chunk of them still love Trump the reality show host. He gets up every day now to talk to the nation about the coronavirus crisis, and says “tremendous” and “fantastic” a million times. I turn the tv off nothing to hear but a bunch of nonsense couched in the usual lies.

I can’t even read this article, its so depressingly obvious. As a Canadian with health care, we worry about the erosion of service caused by Repug like conservative politicians, but this pandemic is shining a shaming light on the lot of them, and they never succeeded in taking us back to private American style insurance.

I weep for your poor, your vulnerable, your unemployed. But I’m still shocked by the degree to which you let capitalist psychopaths stand in the way of something that creates jobs, prevents community spread and protects the entire society.

Free single payer health care is not a frill…its an absolute essential in modern urban settings, and the countries without it are third world countries, whatever they imagine to the contrary.


My youngest brother is in the same spot. Working but not enough to pay for obamacare and too much to to qualify for medicaid
Hes 60 and screwed

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When my idiot doctors finally found my brain tumor I lost my job and my health insurance. COBRA is horridly expensive and with only my partner’s pay check coming it it was almost impossible. Now we have Americans losing their jobs and healthcare, how in heck are they going to able to afford COBRA ?Medicare for all may finally get the attention it deserves.


Vote for some other candidate or write in Bernie.
You voted for the ahole once, there is nothing learned from the 2nd kick from a mule.
A vote for Trump this time around, Clyde = grab your Ankles and kiss yerass goodbye.

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Sending it around. Too good to pass up. Thanks for posting link.

He may qualify if he lives in a state with the expanded Medicaid program. For instance Maine under LePage as governor refused to take Federal aid for expanding the Medicaid roles, as part of ACA . When he left office and when Mills was elected, she changed that on day one, and the expanded Medicaid was opened to a large number of people who made too much for regular Medicaid but now able to get insurance under expanded Medicaid, holding same job.


I honestly think that it was the Canadians who wanted to keep us out. Trump tried to say it was mutual but exactly why would Canadians want to come here during a crisis that is mostly a crisis for us not them with their universal health care. Once again our media is the weapon that the ‘powers that be’ use against the American public.

Looking at the way Bernie gets attacked from all sides by everyone and how even now the media makes polite excuses for Trump’s insane ineptitude and incompetence!Looking at how the obvious need for a national health care system exactly for crises like this is barely if at all mentioned even though M4A is a campaign issue! It is easy to see how the conversation nationwide is controlled by the media. They should be laying it on thick and heavy about just how unsuitable Trump is to be the president but they don’t. The media is why other people say Americans are dumb. It is the media who tells us that all we want is a shallow entertainment type of headline news but the media tells us that the much harder to do ‘in depth’ reporting isn’t what ‘we’ want. They tell us what to think and when to think it. But worst of all is that they are constantly telling us what we are supposedly thinking. The media based on their polls and surveys and anonymous sources and trends they have ‘recently observed’ (or so they say) as to what it is they say that we are thinking. They then tell us that this is what we want to know. The media maintains the oligarchy and protects it more than anything else does in our lives.

The media is the in your face 24/7 promoter of the oligarchy. And I am seeing that most people can’t even begin to think of how to change what the media does. We automatically say that it is privately owned and therefore beyond anyone’s control but that is incorrect. Those who own it hire and fire those who work in it.

It is under control isn’t it? Freedom of the press is fast becoming a fiction in the modern world or a fading memory! Our media does not need a Goebbels to control it. The oligarchy owns most of our media outlets and our democracy is paying a heavy price for that. It is almost as if our government is the media (the mask of oligarchy in effect) and our politicians are representatives that the media allowed or helped to win. Climate change was rarely if ever talked about only five years ago. Exactly who prevented that from happening. No government ordered the state propaganda apparatus to never use the words. Our media just didn’t and still avoids using the words climate change. The oligarchy controls the media because the media is part of our oligarchy.

Our media is the mask that oligarchy wears. Freedom of the press is our cherished constitutionally guaranteed right but in actual fact … the freedom enjoyed by our press is based on ownership. Let’s not forget that one salient fact. Our media is owned by the oligarchy and our media speaks for oligarchy not for us.

This is an even more important reason we need Medicare for All. This is a quote from an article published in The Guardian today:
"US private health insurance companies clog system amid Covid-19 pandemic:
Patients left waiting in beds until private insurance companies authorize next steps, which can take days"
" As Augie Lindmark, a resident physician at Yale University prepared for an onslaught of Covid-19 patients last week, he noticed something at his hospital: there were still patients without the virus, completely stable, in the beds.
Usually, the prior authorization process is an expected inefficiency at Yale, and most other American hospitals. But with thousands of Covid-19 patients being admitted every day across the country, and a critical shortage of hospital beds, that red tape now carries much more weight.

“Any sort of slowing in the health system has dire consequences,” Lindmark said.

In the past two weeks the reality of the Covid-19 pandemic has hit the country. States and cities have been weighing public health measures, making changes to government health plans, and pushing sweeping changes to everyday life. Physicians have largely sought to reschedule and cancel elective surgeries and other patient visits deemed non-essential to free up resources to handle the virus.

But with a history of restrictive and confusing policies, private health insurance companies have lagged behind: making incremental changes to plans even as health providers seek to change course.
“They’re doing healthcare to make money, not to take care of people,” said Dr Judd Hollander, an emergency medicine physician and associate dean at Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia. Hollander has been instrumental in implementing Jefferson’s telemedicine program, which allows patients to consult health providers through secure video, over the past few years.
Telemedicine, most experts agree, is an impactful and low-cost tool in slowing the spread of the virus. Telemedicine eases the burden on hospitals and hospital beds by redirecting patients without in-person needs.

Donald Trump recently expanded telemedicine provisions under the Medicare plan – a public insurance plan for senior Americans – allowing physicians to get paid equally for in-person or remote visits, and approving more devices and programs like Skype to be used to telemedicine.

But private health companies do not have to follow the same rules.

“The federal government never aligned incentives, most states never passed meaningful legislation, and many commercial payers didn’t pay health systems for telemedicine,” Hollander said. “So now we’re left in this horrible scenario.”

Several private physicians the Guardian spoke to were struggling to implement the systems from scratch as Covid-19 cases started to flood their states. Some physicians said older patient populations didn’t know how to use the technology. Others said the variations in private plans made it hard to make any new protocols without risking revenue, which could affect their employees.

“I think the issue is that private insurances have not really made it clear that they will reimburse these visits and if so at what cost,” said Dr Vipul Patel, an orthopedic surgeon in Brooklyn.

Riddhi Shah, the director of operations at a mental health clinic in Michigan, said insurance companies are hard to contact right now, and while the plans have dropped the prior authorization restrictions, the clinic still has to navigate new billing codes and financial loss.

For those who have already built telemedicine systems, the demand is clear.

As NYU Langone absorbs some of the largest populations of Covid-19 patients in the country, the telemedicine system has gone from serving 1,500 patients a month to about 3,000 a day in the past week, said Dr Shabana Khan, a child psychiatrist at NYU Langone who has been helping build the hospital system’s telemedicine capacity for the past few years.

She said many private doctors, meanwhile, are burdened by the restrictions that insurance companies have placed in the past, which made it harder for them to set up a system like NYU. She pointed out that only 10 states have true telemedicine parity, which means providers can treat and bill for telemedicine visits like in-person visits.

With the bureaucracy standing in their way, some doctors are trying to work around private insurance altogether. Sas Ponnapalli, founder of Beam Health Group, a telemedicine platform that connects patients and providers, saw 400 new health providers sign on last week. While the platform does allow private insurance, Ponnapalli said doctors are choosing to set their own rates to make the transition faster.

“Doctors sometimes have to close their doors or quarantine themselves even if they’re still able to practice,” he said. ”They want to get up and running as soon as possible because they’re losing revenue so they’re bypassing insurance completely and charging cash.”

Health insurance companies insist they have been adapting to the crisis.

A spokesperson at Humana, one of the nation’s largest insurance companies, told the Guardian it is not charging patients for Covid-19 testing, and a representative of the Association of Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) pointed to a letter signed by various private payers about their commitment to fighting Covid-19. Aetna, another leading US insurer, has waived costs related to the illness for many members. This is partly because the federal government is requiring the plans to cover all visits, virtual and not, related to testing, said Karen Pollitz, a senior fellow at the Kaiser Family Foundation, a health research and advocacy firm, who tracks the private market.

But that hasn’t stopped insurers from charging patients for other Covid-related charges. AHIP confirmed that out-of-pocket expenses for the treatment would not be waived, and could cost patients thousands of dollars. The average amount for someone admitted to the hospital with pneumonia, a respiratory condition that many coronavirus patients are facing, was $20,000 in 2018 for patients covered by private insurance, according to an analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation and Peterson.

That could leave many people falling back on the age-old American dilemma: get healthcare or lose all financial security. And it could leave physicians finding loopholes and workarounds to stay afloat.

“Insurance companies are not beholden to the patient, they are beholden to the shareholder,” Hollander said."

These patients, many of whom should have been moved to a rehab facility or released, were stuck waiting until their private health insurance company authorized the next steps, which can take days.


Because “socialism” is a “four letter word” in 'MuriKKKa, and Bernie Sanders is the Anti-Christ. /s



We are in dire need of Medicare for All, a minimum income and the job creation or a Green New Deal and now we have a lot more people who are desperate for it. Once we get through this pandemic, it may well be revolution time.

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There is a breaking point. The point where the suffering of the mass majority leads to the violent change. That is somewhere close to where the police and military realize that they and their families are are also at serious risk due to this incompetent, uncaring and greed based system. That is when it comes unglued. There is no rational reason to deny Medicare for All. It is a question of survival now.


When will we recognize that the establishment of both American political parties are nothing more than a push-me and pull-me for the oligarchs running this country?


Hey Carl, I was commenting about the comment you were commenting about, lol.
Yes, in my view, the founders of this country were genocidal rich guys who wanted to get rid of the King so they could be mini-kings.
When you’re the leader of a corrupted nation, you are always at least partially corrupted, in service of the corrupt nation’s corrupt populace.
None of our past presidents were pure. Not even Carter. For example, he deregulated the airline industry, ending the much smarter policy of it being a public utility.
But you have to admit Trump is an aberration like Hitler, Duterte, Putin, MBS, Kim Jong Un, Bolsonaro and other murderous, insane leaders who have all the usual corruption of regular corrupt leaders, but on top of that have a cult of personality, a psychopathic pathology, and a desire to be a Fuhrer.
Obviously Raygun, the Bush presidents, Clinton, Obummer, etc. were corrupt servants of capitalism and Empire.
But none of them had the overt desire to be a Fuhrer. None of them installed their kids in the White House in the hopes that they could own the White House for decades.
JFK and Raygun were the closest to have a cult of personality, but they came nothing close to what Trump has built and wants.
And because Trump has a lifetime history of grifting, daughter-humping, fraud, white-collar crime, mob connections, earth-killing, sexual assault, rape, adultery and other nefarious traits, he is clearly the most dangerous president we’ve ever had by far, not just a continuation of the badness other presidents showed.


No argument there, David.

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Exactly! It is completely irrational to not vote for Sanders for those who still can vote. He could still get enough delegates. Voting from trump or biden is literally voting for murder as they are proud of not supporting M4all!


Teen Who Died Of Covid-19 Was Denied Treatment Because He Didn’t Have Heath Insurance

We here at CD know there are thousands of other examples like this in the u.s.

Yes this has been true but there will be no coverup now as millions of people will lose their jobs and their “coverage” due to covid-19.

Even if someone watches/listens to zero media, there is no escape (unless we elect leaders who support medical care as a human right) from this brutal system. In way too many instances it is a matter of willful ignorance and denial as evidenced by the high numbers of trump and biden supporters.

And of course there is voter rigging, disenfranchisement, electoral fraud . . whatever you want to call it.
I cast my vote the other day and had a sickening feeling as to where was this going? Who was going to open it? Would it really be counted?

And as an aside:
I’m not saying that youtube subscription numbers are indicative of anything earth shattering-- but look at these numbers— as of this morning----- for Bernie’s channel vs Biden’s channel:

Bernie Sanders: 396K subscriber

Joe Biden: 19.3K subscribers


Pelosi and Biden would rather have millions of people die than put the “health” insurance companies out of business.

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It is so bizarre that the media is giving Biden such a free ride. What is going on? Biden says nothing nor appears in videophone conversations. No matter what else, Biden says nothing about the things Trump is doing.

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Sorry, but you need a willing senate to make progress. Moscow Mitch held to his early promise to not pass anything Obama sent. And he couldn’t even send anything because of a dead House run by Ryan.
Executive orders was all that was left, other than being an honorable statesman for foreign affairs.