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What Joe Crowley’s Defeat Has to Do With Democratic Party 'Superdelegates'


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What Joe Crowley’s Defeat Has to Do With Democratic Party 'Superdelegates'

Norman Solomon

Conventional wisdom said that powerful Congressman Joseph Crowley couldn’t be beat. But his 20-year career in the House of Representatives will end in early January, with the socialist organizer who beat him in the Democratic primary in the deep-blue district poised to become Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.


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“The Crowley campaign spent upward of $3 million in the Democratic Party primary. The Ocasio-Cortez campaign spent one-tenth as much. He wielded money power. She inspired people power.”

Power to the Pennies!


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Money doesn’t always win…just 90 percent of the time. Which is more then enough to maintain the status quo in perpetuity.


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Didn’t the superdelegates make Hillary Clinton seem to be the frontrunner in 2008? And she lost. The roll of the superdelegates seems to have been blown completely out of proportion. They have never clearly affected the outcome of any primary. They are not bound by who they claim to prefer and have always gone along with the candidate who has gotten more pledged delegates. I don’t think whatever is decided about the superdelegates will have any affect on the primary in 2020. Which ever candidate gets the most pledged delegates will be the nominee. In all likelihood It will come down to pledged delegates as it always has since McGovern won in 1972.


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Where did that 90% figure come from?


#6

Lrx…you are hopeless.


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Solomon is beating a dead horse. While Ocasio-Cortez ran in the Democratic primary, she ran as an avowed democratic-socialist and took a strong stand against the party itself. This is not about reforming the Dems, but seeing if Ocasio-Cortez and those like her are able to not be co-opted by their “friends” (like Solomon) in the party. Ultimately, this will mean leaving the Dems and running as independents and socialists in the (relatively near) future.

The post WW2 history of (s)electoral U.S politics proves that the Duopoly is beyond reform at the national level. The Clinton/DLC coup of the 1980s was the beginning of the end. For Solomon and Bernie to pretend otherwise is disingenuous.


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That stat toward the end of this about Dems losing Millennials illustrates why the time to put the D-Party into the dustbin of history is well nigh.

The Ds could never serve as a counterweight to the R push rightward over the last 40 years, because they were willing participants in that push. Still are and defeating Crowley won’t change that trajectory.

Vote third party, play the long game. Help the Dems bury themselves as step one toward a progressive revolution.


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No one should be using this decision to jump on board the Democratic corporate train. First, the super delegate decision is not yet official party policy. Second, the party can choose, and has in the past, a candidate regardless of popular votes in the primaries. Humphrey won the bid did in 1968 without ever running in the primaries. As long as regular delegates are free to throw their votes around, regardless of the their constituencies, anything can happen.


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The superdelegates (and the DNC) are the reason Trump is president.


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Yes, but Crowley showed a lot of class in endorsing Ocasio-Cortez, unlike the rest of the DNC and DCCC and Dems in general.


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As most everyone but yourself probably remembers, it was Clinton’s early lead with the superdelegates factored in that allowed the media to endlessly repeat that she was the overwhelming frontrunner from the get-go.

Once someone has that kind of (fake) momentum, it’s hard to overcome.


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Not a bad singer, for a Wall Street shill.


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Rather than class, I would say sportsmanship.


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….and the DNC, DCCC, DSC, have neither class nor sportsmanship qualities. They serve their corporate donors.


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“The DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee voted 27 to 1 to block officeholders, DNC members and other party dignitaries from casting decisive votes on the first ballot of presidential nominating conventions.”

Hold on a sec. None of the news I’m hearing about this explains that phrase “first ballot.” So there are still superdelegates, and they can still vote, but not until the second ballot? What determines if there is a second ballot?


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The role of the DNC has been completely overblown too. Meanwhile, in the real world, Republicans are looking at a bill in the House that would abet securities fraud. That seems like a way bigger concern than the D fucking NC.


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Read Josh Putnam, who has followed the proceedings. Here’s his feed:

You should read his blog on the various proposals. There’s also Chris Reeves at Kos, who is great.


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Thanks.

So, all they need to do to reinstate the superdelegates is cast 50%-1 of their votes to their chosen candidate and the rest of their votes to an otherwise fake candidate so they can decide the entire first balloting without giving the people’s choice any extra votes.


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Who is the “they?” If the “people’s choice” walks in with 50% plus 1 of pledged delegates there is no second ballot. That person wins. The Supers just don’t get a vote. Like today, whoever has a pledged delegate lead wins. It’s been that way since 1984.

What I’m seeing is a lot of conflation with super delegates versus support. Even if Super Delegates were dumped, that doesn’t mean Congress people wouldn’t announce their support for a candidate or raise money for them. The idea that you are going to take politics out of politics is dumb.