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What Republicans and Billionaires Really Mean When They Talk About ‘Freedom’

What Republicans and Billionaires Really Mean When They Talk About ‘Freedom’

Thom Hartmann

America is having a heated debate about the meaning of the word socialism. We’d be better served if, instead, we were debating the meaning of freedom.

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Countering stupidity and greed:

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Thanks for the Medium link. I also found this perspective interesting:
Are media an extension of mankind?
(good rhetorical question - If not, then what exactly can they be? Perhaps instruments or prisons and mirrors of what we do and do not re-cognize as living consciousness - life as ouroborus ?
The Blockchain As Medium and Message

Excellent. Right on the mark.

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I certainly agree that we cannot let the republicans define the terms of the debate- addressing such has been a failure on the part progressives. We must set the terms, make the definitions, and push those on to the republicans instead. Then we’ll see the republicans stumble all over themselves while trying to continue pushing their narrowminded and deliberately limited definitions.

When only a few rich people own all the resources, what then is left for the masses?
Freedom to fight each other for a few low-wage jobs? What then is left for those who can’t find a job because the rich don’t want to hire everyone? The unemployment rate is deliberately created by the rich.

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Great article that addresses a core fiction used to prop up a broken undemocratic system.
One thought to add - to challenge bs freedom memes, it is good to remember that we are not born equal, and we already know we are not equal before the law (as attested to by the legal system’s records and foundational principles).
We are not born equal for many reasons, all of which contribute directly to our ability/inability to function in society according to traditional norms. Examples include those born with chronic illnesses, with developmental disorders and with mental health issues, those born and raised in poverty . . . .
A democratic government that IS allied with the well being of all citizens must embrace the freedom that recognizes these profound limitations on human development and functioning and ensure national programs do not throw them in the garbage to die like feral dogs, like ‘centrist’ politicians claim should happen. The rich have no freedom to rule the majority in a true democracy.

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Thom Hartmann almost never holds them Democrats, especially Obama, accountable for their contribution to the problems he discusses. It’s phenomenal how consistently he and so many like him refuse to be at all balanced in their discussion of military, environmental, and economic scandals. As is overwhelmingly documented, Obama misrepresented himself when he said he did not run for president to help fat cat bankers get richer. He lied about Iraq and Afghanistan. He lied about energy policy. The liberal elite wants to blame Russia for the rejection of Hillary and her corrupt party machine, and they are enabling the worst elements to push for more wars, hot and cold. Until the mythologizing of the awful Democrats is confronted, there is no hope for positive change.

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It really is astounding how the right professes egalitarianism as the cradle of the Republic while inventing think tanks with names Like Freedom Foundation and Citizen’s United which engage in cutting the legs off of the working classes and expecting loyalty from the oppressed.
What is truly astounding is that we the people let them do it every two or four years.

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Great link thank you.

I think all will be moot when Artificial General Intelligence takes over. Google, Apple and the rest can command Artificial Intelligence. But how can any entity command an omniscient, all powerful intelligence?

Merlin, you may find you have come to the “right place.” There is seldom a comment thread here that doesn’t bash the “moderate” (corporate) Democrats (and with good justification), even if the article ostensibly generating the comments is not particularly political.

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In a democracy, freedom does not include the freedom to f**k your brother.

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I’d suggest that WE pack up these greedy billionaires and send them - without their money to Somolia or Siberia or Yeman or Palestine - they can find out firsthand what “freedom” is as they’re dodging bullets and machetes.

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Really? Ron Paul said “if we’re broke and sick, we’re “free” to die like a feral dog in the gutter.” He is a doctor who took an oath of the medical profession.

Disgusting behavior but they’ve fooled million of people to vote against their own best interest.

I’ve been listening to Thom Hartmann since 2003 and brunch with Bernie on Thom’s radio show until 2015, they are both consistent in what say and do. I hate to go to zumba/yoga class on Monday and Thurs AM and miss most of the program and Thom’s wisdom. So glad you are back in Portland

Here is a working definition of “freedom”: The right to choose one’s own limitations.

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Oregon is covered in a report by United Way charity, ALICE – https://www.unitedforalice.org/oregon ---- It says that 58% of jobs there pay less than $20 an hour, and about a third pay under $15 an hour. 41% of households are Asset Limited, Income Constrained, Employed - ALICE. They cannot afford food, housing, utilities, transportation, phone, child care and medical care - seven basics of life. Households - 1,333,000 in Oregon, 41% ALICE, 550,000 are ALICE.

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Brilliant. I would recommend we start to read Eric Foner’s seminal work, The Story of American Freedom.

Yeah, not quite the myth of American exceptionalism many of us learned in school.

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Yeah, Thom Hartmann shamed callers in 2016 who were going to vote for Jill Stein; he was pushing Hillary Clinton, and that was the point wjere I lost all respect for him and his fauxgressivism. He never takes the Dem Party to task for being the other half of the corporate duopoly, therefore he is ineffective.

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Hartmann —
The idea behind your piece is quite good — examining the true meaning of terms we throw around so easily i the U.S.

You just have trouble expressing it properly. It has little or nothing to do with clarifying “socialism” as used or misused in our media.

It is about the concepts of PERSONAL vs. SOCIETAL Freedom as they affect the vast majority of the Nation’s Population. The latter is essential for democracy to work. Period.