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What to Expect from Turkey’s Coming Invasion of Syria

Originally published at http://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/10/07/what-expect-turkeys-coming-invasion-syria

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Possibly this article should have been titled “The USA’s coming excuse to invade Iran”

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Now I’m still not clear on all this. We created Al Qeda, we armed, trained and funded them, we expected the rise of ISIS and happily allowed our weapons to get into their hands, we were thoroughly down with Saudi and UAE sending arms to both of these groups of fanatics, yet at the same time we played this game of pretending to fight the terrorists - even making a feint in that direction once in a while - and (later on), supporting the Kurds. I’m not totally clear how that second part worked. Can anyone clarify?

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Ah, more fake-left handwringing over the demise of the Empire’s regime-change plans?

Here’s a much better, true-left take on the Syrian situation, from the best one-two punch in independent journalism, Max and Aaron:

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RE: Fake Left
I would not put Vijay Prashad in that the catagory of “Fake Leff” (or “cruise missle left” as Blumenthal describes Democracy Now! or, the Intercept) say, like an Anand Gopal. Or the “anti-anti-imperialist left” of Jacobin. You are right though, The Grayzone is one of the few courageous news sources left to us.

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You are not clear on it becasue everything you are writing is nonsense. It is all right-wing (and adopted by the far left) conspiracy theory.

The US always supported the SDF which primarily is comprised of the Kurdish YPG - who the US supported for their fighting skills in spite of them being anarchist-socialists - and the case of the YPJ, radical feminists.

The US supported predecessors to Al Quieda who were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan - not Al Quieda - although Al Quieda can be considered a rather catastrophic “blowback” of that Reagan-era effort.

While no doubt ISIL captured some US arms, the idea that the US happily allowed that to happen is nonsense. Also, as part of the strategy to defeat ISIL, the US also tacitly supported Assad too - as they have throughout the so-called “global war of terror”. The US always supports brutal dictators in regions they hold interests in. Even when Assad used outlawed chemical weapons on civilians, all the US did was engage in staged, zero casualty, zero loss of equipment retaliatory attacks agreed-to by the Russia and Assad in advance. So much for that “regime change” nonsense.

Next you are going to tell me the white helmets are just a CIA scam, right?

The dictator-loving “real left” is becoming indistinguishable from the alt-right…

And now even Jacobin is considered “insufficiently 'anti-imperialist”?

First, as the betrayal of the Kurds by the U.S. should have been a foregone conclusion, based on the previous betrayals of the Kurds by the U.S., including their genocide in Iraq with U.S. supplied chemical weapons and U.S. supplied targeting support, I can only hope that the Kurds have arranged to confiscate all U.S. military assets in the region. Second, I hope that the lesson of the Houthis bold attack within Saudi Arabia did not pass un-noticed. It would seem that Turkey stretching east of the Euphrates would leave them vulnerable to Syrian forces, and with a little help from Russian air-cover could up the ante to an unacceptable level for Erdogan. How involved the Russians are willing to get in Syria, and how involved the PKK is willing to get in Turkey could become factors. And it may depend on how much U.S. help Turkey is counting on. They probably shouldn’t be counting on much.

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Yawn.
Do you actually believe what you type anymore.
I know it can be hard to find info on the interwebs but most inquiring individuals are well aware the Assad government did not use gas of any sort.

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Yunzer, in your regime change zealotry you should own up to aligning yourself with radical Islam.

You want the dictator Assad deposed. An honorable, understandable but heedlessly wreckless goal.

Assad’s removal translates into replacing one of the most pluralistic societies in the MidEast with Wahabists, ISlL, and Al Qaeda ethnic cleansing. A terrible outcome.

We all dream of a socialist dreamscape for Syria. But your roadmap for achieving it – support brutal Islamic fundamentalists – is either naive or delusional.

Sadly, I have to favor Putin’s support for Syria even if it’s just protect his submarine base and pipelines. Because as bad as he is, Assad is better than the alternative and supported by lots of Syrians.

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Prashad does some good reporting and analysis but he rarely misses an opportunity to predict war with Iran. And in this article the last items on his list start to get far-fetched. But I guess we’ll see…

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The US does not have much if any ethical credibility left to lose by once again allowing an attack on their Kurdish allies. And Iran has been challenging the banking hegemony by dropping the US dollar. It is dangerous to challenge the banking hegemony. Think Iraq and Libya and Syria for example, more recently Iran.

The argument that Central Banking is pushing the aggression against Iran can be read in I know which country the US will invade next, (3 May, 2018 https://www.rt.com/op-ed/425751-us-war-military-invade/ ) and you can watch an update of the argument from Sep 23, 2019 , Central Banking Is The Real Reason! ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=31&v=ir7XkZKWxuQ ).

In light of the above arguments one might ask whether the USA is permitting or more likely actively promoting Turkey’s invasion of Syria. One might ask whether the action is being used as an opening gambit because it is likely to create the justification for and then the launching of a military attack on Iran.

SepticTank, my reply to you somehow went to crabpot:

The US does not have much if any ethical credibility left to lose by once again allowing an attack on their Kurdish allies. And Iran has been challenging the banking hegemony by dropping the US dollar. It is dangerous to challenge the banking hegemony. Think Iraq and Libya and Syria for example, more recently Iran.

The argument that Central Banking is pushing the aggression against Iran can be read in I know which country the US will invade next, (3 May, 2018 https://www.rt.com/op-ed/425751-us-war-military-invade/ ) and you can watch an update of the argument from Sep 23, 2019 , Central Banking Is The Real Reason! ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=31&v=ir7XkZKWxuQ ).

In light of the above arguments one might ask whether the USA is permitting or more likely actively promoting Turkey’s invasion of Syria. One might ask whether the action is being used as an opening gambit because it is likely to create the justification for and then the launching of a military attack on Iran.

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I don’t see a war with Iran except in Trump’s possible second term.

Says the neoliberal.

I very much hope that you are right on that. To me it looks like they are trying to set up a situation where they can say that the war was not expected or wanted but that the circumstances unfortunately forced them into it (while no one is supposed to notice that they set up the circumstances in the first place). For those who want war with Iran it will be difficult to find a better time and opportunity. Assuming that things did not get too much out of control I can see Trump happily defending his presidency as being the war president who was doing what needed to be done.

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US crediblity only lives in the world of myth. This is what the ideology of American Exeptionalism is all about.

Years ago I was a believer in American credibility. That belief was shattered with the betrayal of the promises made to the Russians when they dismantled the Soviet Union.

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So, you remember the lines of GHW Bush: “NATO will not move 1” to the east…" I would guess then that you have seen thru the propaganda of Russiagate and now Ukrainegate from the beginning!

I am reading a new book called American Exceptionalism and American Innocence: A People’s History of Fake News - From the Revolutionary War to the War on Terror by Roberto Sirvent, Danny Haiphong

Highly recommended!

But

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