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When Will Democrats Stop Being Losers?


When Will Democrats Stop Being Losers?

John Atcheson

The moment is ripe for enacting a bold, progressive agenda, but the party still seems unwilling to make the urgent leap



The Democrats need a 12 step program to shake the corporate money addiction.

During Obama’s reign US Border Patrol staff and facilities on the US/Canadian border increased more than tenfold and continues to keep single payer medical coverage from invading from the north.


When Will Democrats Stop Being Losers?

When centrist Democrats join progressives after rejecting all “big money” and doing their own fund raising from their constituents. Then they will know if they are wanted before wasting money on campaigns doomed to fail. And making sure they have progressive policies under their belts to benefit all Americans. There won’t be the tie to corporate (etc.) money to turn their heads away from what is good for their constituents. It seems so simple to me, though I know that human greed rules most centrist Democrats and certainly all Republicans, IIRC…


The most effective way to get more people to vote would be to hold elections on Saturday and Sunday rather than Tuesday. for many people finding the time and energy to vote on Tuesday isn’t easy, particularly if they have to face long lines at polling places. They get up early to go work and then return home in the evening with time to get to the polls and probably feeling tired. Another way to get more people to the polls would be to end voter ID laws. In Wisconsin, an analysis of the voting data has shown that Trump probably won that state because it recently passed a voter ID law.

Atcheson seems to ignore the 2017 election in which Democrats did very well. The explanation for the good showing of the Democrats is voters were probably reacting against Trump. Keeping up the momentum is critical. My guess is that progressive candidates would do well in some elections but establishment Democrats would do better in others. I think the voting district has to be considered rather than making blanket statements like Atcheson does.


It is this absurd, corrupted and corporate controlled system. The democrats do not want to win with progressives, losing with milk toast spineless sold out corporate lackeys is their purpose and they do it amazingly well. Articles like this while pointing out the obvious failures of this party really do nothing in terms of a solution.


When will Democrats stop being Republican Lite?

Never. At least not until the Global Collapse when money loses relevance.

Too bad they’re not “Addicted to Love” of Humanity, instead of Money.

If they only showed their concerns for all of their constituents, old and young, rich and poor, sick and healthy, and Black and White, they would have been the only Party in town.

Greed has been their undoing.


Can someone please explain the Democratic party to Atcheson? Please?

They’re not losing, doofus. You’re assuming they wish to win elections first and foremost. You’re assuming wrong. Again.

Their first priority is the cash. Elections are icing. This party isn’t changing, because they’re winning the battles they want to win: the battles for donor loot.


A 12 step program indeed:

Step 1: Reject all monies from any entity other than individual citizens, with limits put on amounts that are legally acceptable. Any violations of this ends in expulsion from government office permanently.

Step 2: Leave the Democratic Party. Join or create a new party that has never accepted monies from entities seeking political influence. It is important that one never appears to accept the once legal corrupt practices that the Democratic Party previously embraced and encouraged.

Step 3: Work towards World Peace and absolute Equality and Equity for all. Immediale reversal of all legislation granting any preference to any group, class, or entity established in the past.

Step 4 thru 12: Repeat steps 1,2,and 3.


And “Articles like this…” all make the same key points, in very similar disgusted tones. They are absolutely correct! And none of them do any good. Establishment dems would rather lose elections than lose their gravy trains.


There’s a token mention in here of “cuts to the bloated Defense budget,” but no serious examination of the imperial imperative - the reason for our so-called “defense,” the perceived necessity of external oppression which lies at the foundation of internal oppression.

To wave your hands at “a bold, progressive agenda” without understanding the pivotal significance of anti-imperialism is going nowhere, just like Bernie Sanders and the Democrat Party. And it seems intellectually dishonest, even cowardly. I suppose it’s true that polling data would show that anti-imperialism is not popular at the moment. That’s why we need courageous thinkers to challenge the imperial status quo, to get people thinking.

Please, John. There’s a reason why the U.S. needs to militarily dominate the whole world, needs to maintain its status at the most fearsome empire in history, even though that status means the ranks of disposable Americans continually grows. You can’t take care of the latter without taking down the former.


Shuffling of personnel in one or other of the major parties can lead to temporary and relatively minor changes within the party, but as long as the system remains broken, running on money rather than the interest of voters, it’s a dead end.

Of course the Democrats would rather chase money than votes. Money equals power in this political system. Expecting the Dems to tun down money, en masse, and suddenly get religion, putting the interest of the working class and poor ahead of the interests of corporations and big dollar donors is pure fantasy. In terms of the party’s real function in this obscenity of a political system - co-opting and neutralizing grass roots social movements before they endanger the interests pf their big money clients - the party has been wildly successful and will continue to get funding from those clients.

The party is just a symptom of the disease. The disease is the system.



And the system is Capitalism.

Corrupt, Centrist politicians masquerading as liberals and Imperialism throughout the world are the effects of Capitalism (as is climate change.) Trying to undo either of those effects without addressing the disease is a fool’s errand.


The second that the last New Democrat/Clintonite backstabber is shown the door is when the dems stop being losers.
The minute they drop the liberal/conservative BS and start talking Labor vs. Capital is when I’ll start listening. Until then, no matter who’s running the show, it’s just more of the conservatives and liberals of the 1% winning all the time and the rest of us conservatives and liberals losing, like we always do.


I agree- it’s all about the money and shameless theater.


Why do they need to dominate- is it the MIC?


Exactly- changing seats in the middle of a pew is all they are.


They will stop being losers as soon as it stops being profitable. An apt comparison I’ve heard for the current state of the Democratic party is that they are the guy in a wrestling match who is paid to take a fall.



Trump seems to need perpetual outside approval to stabilize his sense of self, so he is perpetually desperate for approval, telling heroic fabulist tales about himself. … He wants people to love him, so he is constantly telling interviewers that he is widely loved. In Trump’s telling, every meeting was scheduled for 15 minutes but his guests stayed two hours because they liked him so much.

But the most dangerous attribute Trump has is his inability to know what he does not know.
He is thus the all-time record-holder of the Dunning-Kruger effect, the phenomenon in which the incompetent person is too incompetent to understand his own incompetence.

Trump’s statements don’t necessarily come from anywhere, lead anywhere or have a permanent reality beyond his wish to be liked at any given instant. We’ve got this perverse situation in which the vast analytic powers of the entire world are being spent trying to understand a guy whose thoughts are often just six fireflies beeping randomly in a jar.


Even worse that this is a godsend to the GOP administration as it provides a daily distraction from their actions. Such as recently when the FCC voted to allow companies like Sinclair to merge and take over local news stations. And their upcoming vote in the middle of December to put the final nail in the coffin of Net Neutrality.


Based on the results of the 2017 election I change the headline to read “Will Democrats Continue to be Winners.” The headline “When Will Democrats Stop Being Losers?” seems to be rather dated, referring to the election of 2016 which took place more than a year ago. Things have changed.