The White House on Tuesday formally rejected a 'We the People' petition to pardon Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency (NSA) whistleblower who has been living in exile since exposing the U.S. government's invasive spying operation in 2013.
The kind of fair trial that Edward Snowden would receive in the U.S. goes like this: First we will give you a fair trial.... before we hang you!
The Iron Heel does not relent.
'Good politics' traditionally involves tossing crumbs to the masses while continuing to misinform, obfuscate, and propagandize all issues. Things are now to the point where even crumbs are withheld, and the utter disrespect for the people or truth are more and more evident. Let's hope such brazen behavior will inform and energize some critical mass of the populace.
It was totally to be expected that BO ("the White House"??) would reject anything just or positive re Snowden, but still, it's a small slap in the face, and I, for my part, formally reject "the White House".
There is nothing to be pardoned! Change the narrative....
Maybe Israel should grant Snowden asylum.
''Just when these American citizens needed their rights most, the government took them away. And rights aren't rights if someone can take them away. They're privileges. That's all we've ever had in this country, a bill of TEMPORARY privileges. And if you read the news, even badly, you will know the list gets shorter, and shorter and shorter.
Sooner or later, the people in this country are going to realize the government doesn't give a fuck about them. The government doesn't care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare or your safety. It simply doesn't give a fuck about you. It's interested in its own power. That's the only thing. Keeping it, and expanding it wherever possible. Personally, when it comes to rights, I think one of two things is true: either we have unlimited rights or we have no rights at all."
- George Carlin
“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”
- Frank Zappa
"I feel the effect in this forum of continually, repetitively citing these statements as if they were fresh and realistic has a preponderantly enervating effect. It's like a clarion call to give up. Where is the safe spot from which to make this pronouncement? Get behind the wheel of change, will you? Is it too hard?"
- Reponses of a commenter in "Democratic Underground" to the tow commenters who posted the above quotes.
And it is so true here too. Wail on and on about how bad things are, but propose, admittedly very tentatively at this stage, the need to engaging in acts of resistance, and eventually, revolution, and what happens? The commentership attacks anyone suggesting such a thing - insisting that absolutely must never, ever be a revolution again - because in revolutions, someone might get killed! - or at least a few bruises and a hangnail and use hurtful words!!!
"Clarion calls to give up" indeed! That seems to be the primary function of the commento-sphere of all these "progressive" news sites.
Organize and get your shoulders to the wheel for crying out loud!
True. But the writers of the petition recognized that the only practical administrative procedure that would to accomplish this was a pre-emptive presidential pardon.
Recall that the right wingers believed that Casper Weinberger and the Iran-contra gang did nothing wrong too, but GHW Bush still pre-emptively pardoned him and 5 others in anticipation of indictments on the last day of his term.
The real world works differently than the world of internet fora where everything goes no technical details get in the way.
not sure we are all worried about getting killed. many of us have embraced nonviolence as a philosophy of life, many of us see the immense firepower the govt. has, many of us are more than willing to give our lives for true freedom--we just don't believe that encouraging it is helpful or will end in true freedom for anyone so we don't support it.
i don't usually comment about it, but just don't "like" it or whatever. but for those who think they know the motives of those of us who do not want to take the violent road, please realize that you do not know every complex beings' reasons for opposing a violent solution at this time.
don't have a clue as to what the answer will be, but i'll continue to consider, and work towards, some way to turn this around.
Snowden is a fraud. He wouldn't be on the telly if he had done something the state disapproved of.
"Since he publicly acknowledged being the source of bombshell leaks about the NSA two weeks ago, Ed Snowden has portrayed government secrecy as a threat to democracy, and his own leaks as acts of conscience. But chat logs uncovered by the tech news site Ars Technica suggest Snowden hasn't always felt that way.
"Those people should be shot in the balls," Snowden apparently said of leakers in a January 2009 chat. Snowden had logged into an Internet Relay Chat (IRC) server associated with Ars Technica. While Ars itself didn't log the conversations, multiple participants in the discussions kept logs of the chats and provided them to the technology site.
At this point, Snowden's evolution into a fierce critic of the national security establishment was in its early stages. Snowden was incensed at the New York Times, which had described secret negotiations between the United States and Israel over how best to deal with Iran's suspected nuclear program.
"Are they TRYING to start a war? Jesus christ. They're like wikileaks." Snowden wrote. "You don't put that s--- in the NEWSPAPER."
"They have a HISTORY of this s---," he continued, making liberal use of capital letters and profanity. "These are the same people who blew the whole 'we could listen to osama's cell phone' thing. The same people who screwed us on wiretapping. Over and over and over again."
He said he enjoyed "ethical reporting." But "VIOLATING NATIONAL SECURITY? no. That s--- is classified for a reason. It's not because 'oh we hope our citizens don't find out.' It's because 'this s--- won't work if iran knows what we're doing.'"
"I am so angry right now. This is completely unbelievable."
The comments were posted by a user named TheTrueHOOHA. While IRC doesn't have a formal mechanism for authenticating users, impersonation is rare, and Snowden is known to have used the same username in comments on the Ars Web site. Moreover, TheTrueHOOHA mentions biographical details, like his work in Switzerland, that closely match Snowden's biography.
I read somewhere that Snowden is known to be a Vulcan, who is working to destroy America, so the Vulcans can take over the Earth. Can't verify the source, but it was said to be someone working on the space program.
Even if your allegations do possess any truth, just what is wrong with changing one's views? Whistleblowers are typically people who realize at some point what their employers are doing and choose to expose them.
Snowden is a very right wing American. These people (like most Americans) are deliberately designed to be too stupid to think, never mind change their opinions. His employment history doesn't add up, his father was NSA too and that is a big marker.
"He should come home to the United States, and be judged by a jury of his peers—not hide behind the cover of an authoritarian regime." No, no, no, no Ms Monaco,the cover of the authoritarian regime in this case is the United States. Secret courts, secret laws, secret witnesses, secret testimony are now hallmarks of the Slick Oily administration!
Obama & congress must have forgotten the oath they took ----to uphold the Bill of Rights & the US Constitution these fascist traitors must have forgotten they work for the American people