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'Why Are They So Terrible at This?': Democrats Reportedly Plan to Offer Trump Billions for So-Called 'Smart Wall'


A cowardly Stupid bunch these people are. No money what so ever should be given to this murderous traitor Con Man for a smart or dumb wall of any kind. The phrase “ Spineless Democrats” sticks. Caving in to his demands is unacceptable!


True, but they will raise a stink and some Republicans will be sympathetic.


I’m white and I’ve lived on the border for over 60 years. Border security isn’t inherently bad. But Trump’s idea of security and his lies about the people coming over are idiotic. Plus his plan to hold American citizens hostage whenever he wants something, rather than allowing Congress to do their job. No money for no Trump wall no how.


Con. Clyburn: do you think it’s possible to provide funding for S. Carolina’s BMW plant to build us a smart black male robot to replace you? How about Freightliner or M-Benz?
You’ve got to do something in that state besides sponge off the MIC and suck up other U.S. taxpayers’ money. Civil rights ( legal immigrants’ rights? ) leaders my aching arse, it’s more like Sponge " Billy Bob " Squarepants.


Registered Democrats will run from the party in droves if Nancy and the rest of the corporate controlled Dems, cave to Trump.


Have you looked at the polls? Nancy Pelosi is straight up kicking McConnell’s and Trump’s asses right now. Other than Gabbard—who gave a shitty Joe Lieberman like performance on television—and the guy from Minnesota, her caucus has stayed in line and is clearly drawing blood.

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That’s why I believe this is all theater. I live on the border. Many here know a “wall” won’t work. What will work is E-verify, prosecuting employers of illegals, and ending birthright citizenship. All US involvement should end in C.A. as well. Neither party has the will for true border control.


Oops. You used Democrat as an adjective, not a noun, like tRumPutinCons always do.

You’ve outed yourself, comrade.


O mystery of mysteries, the door to all wonders----the Democratic Party has failed to act progressively again. Why not assume that Democratic elected officials are doing just as they please and just as they are paid to do?

The effect and presumable goal of US border policy is to remove competition for favored traffickers of drugs and people, and to assure a steady supply of non-citizen labor that cannot readily defend itself.

The point, simply, is that they are trying to do the same thing that the Republicans try to do. They may be more racist or less racist or whatever–and yes, there’s plenty of racism and other prejudice in the system–but the main drivers of policy are economic and hierarchical.

To restate the above somewhat differently, elected Democrats do not as a group wish to undercut the creation and maintenance of a persistent underclass. If they did, they would also generally oppose the rest of the neoliberal and neoconservative agenda that goes to create this. They would not occupy themselves disrupting and destroying Honduras,. Ukraine, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Palestine, Yemen, Pakistan, and so forth.

Of course, the same argument applies to Republicans. But they only have Republican voters to satisfy, so the rhetoric is different.


Depending on the direction we’re calling “forward,” it might be more useful to go back.

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Uncle Tom Clyburn has chosen to take another bullet for Massa Pelosi.
Dumb ass.
When will they all realize that you cannot negotiate with a sociopath?
Nothing to this time I’m afraid.


If I am understanding right that is just what she looks to be doing, AND setting up a horrific spyware system to boot. Where is the outrage???

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Could we wait until we see what is in the package that is being offered. We understand that it is going to be turned down, because the president wants a wall.

What do we need is the question. We need to stop individuals from coming across the border in places other than the approved entry points. We need judges to determine if there is a proper use for asylum. We need modern technique for warning of of improper entry.

What else do we need?

Instead of complaining about what is wrong with a bill that has not been introduced in its entirety we should be giving positive suggestions for improving the situation.

Why such negative responses?


You mean those same polls that had Hillary winning in 2016?


5 Billion for a Smart Wall? There’s 5 Billion better things to do with that money. Cave in why don’t you?


As sad as this is, why would we not expect more betrayal?

But, I don’t think the Establishment is going to allow a female to win here –
She may be having the rug pulled out from under her?


The Democrats aren’t terrible at this, they’re despicable psychopaths, delaying rational action on climate and the larger psycho-ecological/justice/inequality/health crisis, just like the Republicans–the other half of the corporate duopoly party that serves the oligarchs.

We’ve waited far too long and it’s likely civilization will end in chaos, suffering and violence, but we still have a chance if we act strongly right now. They all need to be removed from office–Senators, Representatives, political appointees, people who came in through revolving doors, judges, federal, state, local. Time to blockade offices, surround houses, line commuter routes, invade country clubs, swarm golf courses… everywhere these psychotic people go they must be made aware that their actions to destroy civilization and nature are absolutely unacceptable. Neither they nor their actions will be tolerated any longer. Videos of climate education should be projected into whatever room they’re in. Phones, emails, twitter accounts, texts–everything jammed constantly with messages they so far have been unwilling to hear or unable to comprehend. Fossil fuel, agro-chemical, complicit banking and other industries need to be shut down the same way. We need to join the peaceful but unrelenting revolution or civilization will be over in our lifetimes.


Of course. Of fucking course. Did anyone believe that Pelosi’s standing up to Trump was anything more than political grandstanding? Democrats will always cave because it is their jobs to. Yet another act that further makes me convinced Trump is going to be a 2 term president.


Really? My gawd. His numbers are trash and getting worse:

He had to draw an inside straight with the help of the FBI and Russians to squeak out a win, barely. In 2018, independents swung heavily against him and they are still leaving. It’s time to get over the Trump-is-unstoppable nonsense from 2016.

Pelosi is kicking his ass. She’s been a great leader on the shutdown, three steps ahead of him all the way.


Geez, not even a Green New Deal. Dems can’t negotiate their way out of a paper bag.