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'Why Are We Being Charged?' Surprise Bills From Coronavirus Testing Spark Calls for Government to Cover All Costs

Another example of “American Exceptionalism.” China doesn’t charge its coronavirus atients, neither does South Korea. I guess they are simply backward countries.

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They are already testing a vaccine. Don’t ask me to prove it. The source was on a larger issue of vaccines and the Ebola Virus. It would still take some time for it to be approved but from what I understand it is fast tracked.

The HIV splice in this coronavirus would lead me to believe no vaccine will be forthcoming.

The cdc just gave up on an HIV vaccine - announced it today. They’ve been working on it for 10 years.

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I own my own home after years of hard work paying it off. It’s the only thing of value, besides my old truck, that I have. If I get the virus, I will stay home and try to treat it the best I can. I can’t afford to go to the hospital and pay thousands in medical bills, with the chance that they’ll come after my possessions. America, the land of the _______. Fill in the blank. (Hint: it’s no longer free).

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I think I read something about that too. I know we don’t have the whole story. Thanks, that is an important point for consideration and could be the answer to a few other questions.

There are other ways to protect your home. Homesteading or living trust. I’m not good at this but I know there are ways to do it. Hopefully, it would never come to that but outcomes are not certain even with treatment in this case.

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As someone who lost a mother at 5 years old I can sympathize with your grief in losing a daughter-in-law and especially seeing her four children orphaned. However, I think you miss the point here: This is about we becoming a society invested in each others welfare and not a company town that commodifies everything including the health and well being of us all.

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While I prefer to think they lack the guile to plan like that, the paranoid hippie in me says you are probably right.(I hate that).

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Yes, and we have much of that already.
social security
medicare
medicaid
Pell grants
Part D
free schools
free libraries
free parks

Community colleges, tech schools, apprenticeships: all for free is easily do.

Perhaps the demise of unions has broken our former ‘lookin out for my brother’ mode.
Private hospitals here have reduced their charity cases. Which sends more people to the county medical hospital and long waits.

Agreed.

I have worked with the Vermont branch of PNHP and the Massachusetts and NY physicians who support single payer. Here are links:

~https://pnhp.org/what-is-single-payer/

~https://pnhp.org/what-is-single-payer/faqs/

From Wikipedia:

~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_healthcare

Note that what we are pushing for in the US America is a government run plan that takes the profit motive away, covers everyone from cradle to grave with no co-pays and deductibles. Everyone in the one and only pool, no “networks”, and one reason it will eventually cost less.

The more recent film *Now Is The Time, sequel to The Healthcare Movie

~https://www.facebook.com/NowistheTimeMovie/

Another group I worked with in NY and Massachusetts and they have good educational materials and they are now located in Boston rather than NYC:

~https://www.healthcare-now.org/what-is-single-payer/

~http://thehealthcaremovie.net/home/

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I’m going by: -ttps://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1129/text

As a revision it is better but flawed. It is a cost containment bill based on the same research as the republican plan with global budgets and block grants.

Edited: I encourage you to read this:
-ttps://www.rand.org/blog/2018/10/misconceptions-about-medicare-for-all.html

Trump always wants chaos, because he knows how to use it to gain more power. It isn’t guile, it’s how he operates. He’s a disaster politician.

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Putting yourself in someone’s shoes means you empathize with them and see things from their perspective. What you’ve done instead is throw stones.

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Higher education is not free but they do need to become free for the students and payed by us as a society.

Part D is a scam, a Republican scam also supported by corporate democrats because of its profit motive and its privatization

Medicare only covers 80% and does not cover eye and dental care and older folks especially need these services.

Medicaid helps but there are limits and one cannot necessarily use it where one needs to go.
Expanded, Improved Medicare For All is a vast improvement. because it covers everyone in one big pool and, therefore, much more dignified than the rob Paul to pay peter system we have.

Social Security too can be improved. Why should it simply be based on the income of the person which means that a person working in a low paying job in a capitalist system gone wild with greed will often work until they die.

Pell grants can be eliminated when we have what the French have: publicly supported education for everyone.

The demise of unions certainly did not help but it was part of the long strategy of the Right to privatize everything to the enrichment of the few.

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Thank goodness for the “/s”. Poe’s Law you know…

The overall competence that Canada is handling this outbreak, compared to the USA, is stark. First world (Canada) versus third-world (USA). Testing is practically available for free, to any suspect person, sick or not, as Toronto alone can run 1000 tests a day and have results in 4 hours. That is far more than all the US’s capacity for 330 million people.

I wonder how long before Canada closes its borders to USAns? Me and my wife (both in a vulnerable age/medical group) should seriously consider fleeing to my brother’s place in Toronto as the first announced cases in Pittsburgh are probably only days away. What about our poor cat though? We could try to smuggle her across the border, but she is a loud and talkative kitty…

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May I recommend any number of right wing forums better aligned with this comment. Was the Rush Limbaugh program inspiring today?

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Read the Bill, Transition from existing programs. It is still up to states that are still allowed to change eligibility among other things. (look at how block grants are used in Tennessee) It phases out Medicaid after four years. It changes the healthcare mandate in the form of block grants. If that sounds like the ACA it is because it is.

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You do understand each and every one of those things that exist have been under attack from right wing talking points for decades and people complaining about highway robbery in the healthcare denial for profit industry being called “whiners”.

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I think i may have heard one rush broadcast around 1996 in Detroit. He was wrong then and probably still is.

Frank and his daughter are aok. The story writer does not bother to provide the details of who paid their air fare, room and board. Two days ago, cable TV guest advised that over 125 American children have died this flu season. I do not know how they know.

Don’t want to discourage anyone from any protective measures – but the
“low down” from my veggie store today was that a lot of health professionals
shop there and they think it’s being hyped by media.

Did get this from my NJ Sen. Menendez –

Center for Disease and Control and Prevention (CDC)

There is currently no vaccine to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). The best way to prevent illness is to avoid being exposed to this virus. However, everyday preventive actions can help prevent the spread of respiratory diseases:

  • Wash your hands often

  • Avoid close contact with people who are sick.

  • Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth.

  • Stay home when you are sick.

  • Cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, then throw the tissue in the trash.

  • For more information : ttps://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/prevention-treatment.html

  • How it spreads : The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person. It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads. [Read more.]
    ttps://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission.html)

  • Symptoms : For confirmed coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) cases, reported illnesses have ranged from mild symptoms to severe illness and death. Symptoms can include fever, cough, and shortness of breath.

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