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'Why Are We Being Charged?' Surprise Bills From Coronavirus Testing Spark Calls for Government to Cover All Costs

Yes, and we have much of that already.
social security
Pell grants
Part D
free schools
free libraries
free parks

Community colleges, tech schools, apprenticeships: all for free is easily do.

Perhaps the demise of unions has broken our former ‘lookin out for my brother’ mode.
Private hospitals here have reduced their charity cases. Which sends more people to the county medical hospital and long waits.


I have worked with the Vermont branch of PNHP and the Massachusetts and NY physicians who support single payer. Here are links:



From Wikipedia:


Note that what we are pushing for in the US America is a government run plan that takes the profit motive away, covers everyone from cradle to grave with no co-pays and deductibles. Everyone in the one and only pool, no “networks”, and one reason it will eventually cost less.

The more recent film *Now Is The Time, sequel to The Healthcare Movie


Another group I worked with in NY and Massachusetts and they have good educational materials and they are now located in Boston rather than NYC:




I’m going by: -ttps://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1129/text

As a revision it is better but flawed. It is a cost containment bill based on the same research as the republican plan with global budgets and block grants.

Edited: I encourage you to read this:

Trump always wants chaos, because he knows how to use it to gain more power. It isn’t guile, it’s how he operates. He’s a disaster politician.


Putting yourself in someone’s shoes means you empathize with them and see things from their perspective. What you’ve done instead is throw stones.


Higher education is not free but they do need to become free for the students and payed by us as a society.

Part D is a scam, a Republican scam also supported by corporate democrats because of its profit motive and its privatization

Medicare only covers 80% and does not cover eye and dental care and older folks especially need these services.

Medicaid helps but there are limits and one cannot necessarily use it where one needs to go.
Expanded, Improved Medicare For All is a vast improvement. because it covers everyone in one big pool and, therefore, much more dignified than the rob Paul to pay peter system we have.

Social Security too can be improved. Why should it simply be based on the income of the person which means that a person working in a low paying job in a capitalist system gone wild with greed will often work until they die.

Pell grants can be eliminated when we have what the French have: publicly supported education for everyone.

The demise of unions certainly did not help but it was part of the long strategy of the Right to privatize everything to the enrichment of the few.


Thank goodness for the “/s”. Poe’s Law you know…

The overall competence that Canada is handling this outbreak, compared to the USA, is stark. First world (Canada) versus third-world (USA). Testing is practically available for free, to any suspect person, sick or not, as Toronto alone can run 1000 tests a day and have results in 4 hours. That is far more than all the US’s capacity for 330 million people.

I wonder how long before Canada closes its borders to USAns? Me and my wife (both in a vulnerable age/medical group) should seriously consider fleeing to my brother’s place in Toronto as the first announced cases in Pittsburgh are probably only days away. What about our poor cat though? We could try to smuggle her across the border, but she is a loud and talkative kitty…


May I recommend any number of right wing forums better aligned with this comment. Was the Rush Limbaugh program inspiring today?


Read the Bill, Transition from existing programs. It is still up to states that are still allowed to change eligibility among other things. (look at how block grants are used in Tennessee) It phases out Medicaid after four years. It changes the healthcare mandate in the form of block grants. If that sounds like the ACA it is because it is.

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You do understand each and every one of those things that exist have been under attack from right wing talking points for decades and people complaining about highway robbery in the healthcare denial for profit industry being called “whiners”.

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I think i may have heard one rush broadcast around 1996 in Detroit. He was wrong then and probably still is.

Frank and his daughter are aok. The story writer does not bother to provide the details of who paid their air fare, room and board. Two days ago, cable TV guest advised that over 125 American children have died this flu season. I do not know how they know.

Don’t want to discourage anyone from any protective measures – but the
“low down” from my veggie store today was that a lot of health professionals
shop there and they think it’s being hyped by media.

Did get this from my NJ Sen. Menendez –

Center for Disease and Control and Prevention (CDC)

There is currently no vaccine to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). The best way to prevent illness is to avoid being exposed to this virus. However, everyday preventive actions can help prevent the spread of respiratory diseases:

  • Wash your hands often

  • Avoid close contact with people who are sick.

  • Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth.

  • Stay home when you are sick.

  • Cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, then throw the tissue in the trash.

  • For more information : ttps://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/prevention-treatment.html

  • How it spreads : The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person. It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads. [Read more.]

  • Symptoms : For confirmed coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) cases, reported illnesses have ranged from mild symptoms to severe illness and death. Symptoms can include fever, cough, and shortness of breath.


I agree it is being hyped by the media… to the point of being fear mongering.

At the same time it is being ignored by the administration to such an extent that really little… almost nothing… is being done.

At some point the two together will create an even bigger problem.

It is like the old adage: “Just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.”

Each over/under reach in considering the reality of the situation has its own problem, which multiply when combined.

Every morning when I wake up I say a little atheistic prayer to myself before I get out of bed: “Another day… and for better or worse… Today is a good day to die”.


And Cuba would likely be more receptive to requests for testing than we are.

Hi oldie:
and if we had Medicare for ALL, none of these horrors would be happening.


He’s not making sense either way.

Just an FYI. My wife just picked up her migraine prescription. It is an injectable medication. It worked fairly well the first time but not so much the second, so they doubled her dosage. The single dose was $450, so I assume the double dose is $900 for a single shot in the neck.
BC/BS and CHAMP paid it all 100%.
The person with no insurance is likely out of luck.

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Well, two reported here in Florida tonight. One in my county, one in the county next door.

And more of the “we already knew, but told you late”. One person checked into the hospital on Wednesday. We hear it Monday night. Both were ignored far a long time it seems, and 84 in particular are being watched (roommates, friends, hospital workers not alerted for several days, the usual). But no one knows every place they had been since becoming infected.

Oh, and they have tested a handful of people. No worry?

I can’t see anyway that this level of incompetency is an accident. Spring break is just starting… usually a 100’s of thousand tourist bonanza.

So the question is do they want to kill us, or just keep us in fear?

I think the later. But the end result is a crap shoot. So once again, it is a gamble with our lives.

The business of America is business. Sometimes that can go too far and this is one of those times. Making money from the loss, distress, harm and suffering of others is perverse beyond belief.

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