And if it’s shut down right away, where will those 50M people get electricity from?
Well, when I read an article with this kind of information… I am completely freaked out… I feel like we have just right over top of our beautiful planet, just like it was road kill… really, that is our attitude as a species… we have to get to where we want to go…so, hey, if that squirrel… or fox(yes, in the Southern Tier of NY … little fox are being run over … on the highways… now… never saw that until the last couple of years…)… we do not consider what we do… we do not know what we do…
This article really does freak me out… I have been, attuned to the nuclear issue for a while now… since I first heard Helen Caldicott… and Harvey… How do we beat this? there are those that want MORE OF THESE THINGS… That statement about radiating the Great Lakes… that is mind numbing…most people do not ever give nuclear power a thought… they do not give POWER a thought… where it comes from, or any aspect of it…I know many people who just feel that they can only think about
-getting up and ready for work
-driving to work (rural)
-picking up kids from child care
-taking care of aging parents
-dealing with a disintegrating marriage
- dealing with a growing teenager
need I go on? So, when I bring up these kinds of issues… they give me a blank look… or they get mad… .and think I am a nut… there is a little bit of glimmer of understanding with some people these days with climate issues… but, it is just a glimmer…
So, my point is… that unless we have MASSIVE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE understanding the seriousness of something like this nuclear plants crumbling and and what that means… AND that we cannot afford to make more of them… AND that we have to HURRY UP AND SHUT THEM DOWN BEFORE FOSSIL FUELS GO BY THE WAY SIDE… we are truly sunk… WE NEED LIKE 80% OF PEOPLE… or something along those lines, to UNDERSTAND what the problems are… and how that AFFECTS THEIR EVERYDAY LIVES… AND THEIR LIFE IN GENERAL… in order to bring down the status quo of NUTS WHO THINK THE EARTH IS A HIGH WAY AND ROAD KILL JUST DOESN’T MATTER…
Who cares about an electrical shortfall? (which is untrue anyway: Solar and Wind can easily supplant dangerous nuke fossils like this one.) Cancer in children means these nuke deathtraps have to be shuttered no matter what.
You may as well ask: “If the wars are shut down, who will buy bombs and drones?”
The answer is that: We just don’t care about these military industrial scams anymore, Mairead. They are are curse upon all creatures with vulnerable DNA strands in their bodies. Whether is be DU dust from bombing, or leaky 40year old, unsafe nuke plants.
Don’t worry. Harvery Wasserman’s are essentially fact free zones and filled with being totally exaggerated hyperbole. A loss of coolant failure at Davis-Besse would have been similar to TMI-2 failure - an event that was serious and extremely costly but the containment worked and the accident had no statistically measurable health or environmental impact on the surrounding communities.
Oh, and typing in ALL CAPS does not help you argument.
And CO2-free electricity at that.
The minimum amount of objective research online shows that this plant is poorly designed, constructed and operated as though there were no tomorrow. It would appear that cavalier dismissal of the concerns is optimistic at best.
Once again, what’s done by a small group of persons–in this case those who saw quick profits through “the peaceful atom” are mistaken for the whole of humanity.
These types of blanket indictments keep the teachings and practices ranging from modern ecologists to Indigenous tribes who knew how to steward the earth under a cloak of invisibility.
These generalizations also present a one size fits all representation for all humanity; and in doing so, they manage to hide actual perpetrators.
It’s this language of the oblique that’s used by commentators to separate the MIC from its brutality, or police from theirs. It blankets over the particular strain of greed that’s led to so much wealth being reverse-engineered to the TOP of the financial pyramid by suggesting that THIS is human nature rather than the specific work of specific interest groups who have brought these outcomes to life.
Some people, and actually, a relative few insisted on building the nuke plants. These same interests kept enough local politicians in their pockets to ensure that genuine maintenance of these death traps would not compromise their immediate profits.
The “precedent” that saw banksters bailed out for their own gambles by the public is the same legal strategy that will be used to protect trespassers in all sorts of industries… by forcing citizens to pick up the tab.
Posts like yours pave the way for this moral and fiscal graft. After all, if that same homogenous WE is responsible, than surely all should pay.
I call this message out for industry-style PR, a Talking Point.
Did you mean this: “The answer is that we just don’t care about these military industrial scams anymore”?
Who is the We?
And do you think people don’t care?
I notice that Mairead has reliably shown up to do the mandatory “pity the poor nuke companies” chorus lines, while The Initiate borrows from many of my former posts–those that delineated the pressures on American citizens as wages are being artificially depressed while all sorts of costs of living inflated–as argument to the always linear-framed “debates” that insisted that whatever the problem (In today’s case, it’s that of global industrial robber barons and the politicians, media, and courts that they own) citizens are to blame.
At least the entire tag teams are not yet back… likely because the seeming variety of assorted screen names probably belonged to a relative handful of regular posters. Something along those lines was noted in emails sent out to long-time posters by the Site as it entered into its newest “incarnation.”
Maybe this will keep more industry hacks, sock puppets, and assorted shills, trolls, and agent provocateurs away.
Thomas_Jefferson wrote (to Mairead):
‘Who cares about an electrical shortfall? (which is untrue anyway: Solar and Wind can easily supplant dangerous nuke fossils like this one.) Cancer in children means these nuke deathtraps have to be shuttered no matter what…’
Do you really feel that suddenly cutting off electrical power to 50,000,000 people is an innocuos event? We’re talking about no heat in homes, electrical appliances not operating, and other consequences.
‘…Whether is be DU dust from bombing, or leaky 40year old, unsafe nuke plants.’
Of course, a coal power plant puts far more toxins (both radiological and biological )into the air than a nuclear power plant.
As so often, Susan, you fail to read or interpret accurately what I’ve written.
I hold no brief whatever for the corporate owners. I think they should be stripped of ownership without compensation, the unit evaluated for technical goodness and then either fixed or replaced forthwith, with permanent public ownership following.
Too damned true, John. Would that I lived within walking distance of the Pilgrim nuke rather than the Brayton Point with its 4.9M TONS annual coal consumption.
Wasserman is a propagandist, not a careful distiller of fact. So I’d say there’s less need than you’d think to go into orbit except that Wasserman’s propaganda tends, as here, to urge acts that would have the effect of increasing greenhousing, which is highly irresponsible at best. So maybe going into orbit does make some sense – just not Wasserman’s kind.
A responsible person might advocate for the nationalisation of all nukes, followed by safety upgrades, operation by people with solid reactor experience (e.g. ex-Navy), plus the immediate instantiation of crash programs to reduce the national (global) energy draw so as to phase out the worst generators as quickly as humanely possible.
But Wasserman is a pot-stirrer, not a responsible person.
And what technology will produce that power? If it’s coal, that’s a net loss for everyone, and much less good than the solution I suggested to Susan.
Could you explain that? I can’t imagine what you have in mind.
‘Our power is supplied by the grid. It is so designed that a power station can go off line without effecting demand. This nuke can go off line and leave no one without power…’
That’s the way that it’s SUPPOSED to work. Now I don’t know what Wasserman meant when he wrote:
‘The company’s owners have blacked out the entire Northeast including 50 million customers—the largest such disaster in world history.’
But in 1965, a blackout in Northeast US deprived about 30 million customers of power. And in 2003, another Northeast US blackout affected about 55 million.
‘This plant does not supply 1/6th of the power generation of our country, 50 million indeed.’
Wasserman didn’t say that about the plant in question; he said that about the plant’s owners.
In other words, they DON’T shut down.
In the case of this plant, you may be right - but Wassermann would write exactly the same thing about any nuclear power plant.
Thanks for the correction! I guess my colon was misused.
By “We” I meant war-weary Americans who have caught on to the hazards of anything the MICC is peddling; esp. dangerous nuke plants and fake wars.
Odd that the whole tag team is not here! Maybe they only had a contract to spam through Discus??? Very Odd.
I noticed in the past, they all disappear and reappear at the same time.
Whoops, I spoke too soon. Micron John just showed up!
Remember, if people steal your material; It’s confirmation you changed their minds! (is the semi-colon use correct?)