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Wisconsinites Rally to Stop ‘Right-to-Work’ Bill


#1

Wisconsinites Rally to Stop ‘Right-to-Work’ Bill

- Common Dreams staff

The attendence looks good - resistance against Walker's demagoguery has just begun RT @pomosubversion : #wiunion #rtw pic.twitter.com/i47iSYJLRY

— Dr. Glen Barry ( @DrGlenBarry ) February 28, 2015


#2

Oh, good! These protests have been so effective in the recent past, haven't they?

Instead of making a public spectacle and hoping that the (corporate) media will give it at least unbiased coverage, these folks' time and money would be better spent knocking on doors and reaching out to people in public with their message.

mcp


#3

The irony of your comment is you rate how "effective" the protests have been as evidence that the fault lies with inactivity of union workers to get out the message, rather than further evidence that corporate influence has taken over that government.

You essentially are piling on the insults by characterizing these protesters as clueless, or lazy. That is the insinuation.

Surely these unions have done outreach into the communities that has escaped your judgment in addition to holding full time hours and tending to friends and families.

Why not support these good people with, if not your actions, your words?


#4

One reason I am a socialist is because in the USA gains of today may very well be losses of tomorrow as we are witnessing in so many areas.We will forever need to remain vigilant and right now the hard work of reinvigorating the labor movement will require door to door effort.


#5

The AFl-CIO would do very well to get in touch with its radical partner of yesterday's CIO. A lot of folks need to be approached--you know, the ones that voted for Walker, the folks who continue to vote against their interests.


#6

You essentially are piling on the insults by characterizing these protesters as clueless, or lazy. That is the insinuation [emphasis mine].

No, such is your inference. I criticized their strategy and not their industry.

Also, please work on your vocabulary. You use "inactivity" when the context indicates "inability" and "judgment" when it should have been "notice" or "awareness."

mcp


#7

I appreciate the clarification of the intent of your comment, but please spare me the English lesson.

"Instead of making a public spectacle and hoping that the (corporate)
media will give it at least unbiased coverage, these folks' time and
money would be better spent knocking on doors and reaching out to people
in public with their message."

You certainly are criticizing lack of action are you not? Thus my use of "inactivity" is appropriate given the context of your comment.

My use of the word "judgment" is accurate according to my point. I suggest you reference a thesaurus or even a dictionary before you attack someone's use of language.

Psychedelic Chicken


#8

I am criticizing the choice of action taken and not the absence of action itself, a point which is quite clear in my original post in this thread. Again, it is your inference that is at fault

mcp


#9

Perhaps you should remove the word "better" from your original post.

There, an English lesson for you.


#10

WOW that is what I said to the wal-mart social change advocates on the street.


#11

A very poor English lesson. The word "better" effects the point that I am advocating for one course of action over another.

mcp


#12

God bless those people for their reverence for law and order. They are among the best of my fellow countryman, taking a difficult stand for the republic and which it stands. They hold to "principles" we all hope would come true. But I'm a cynic and the powers that be in the State of Wisconsin are not about to allow "too much freedom".


#13

Now focus on the word "instead" in your post dear student.

My entire point that I was making still stands. You attacked the union members instead of the corporate attack on union members.

"Instead of making a public spectacle and hoping that the (corporate)
media will give it at least unbiased coverage, these folks' time and
money would be better spent knocking on doors and reaching out to people
in public with their message."

My response

"Surely these unions have done outreach into the communities that has
escaped your judgment in addition to holding full time hours and tending
to friends and families."

My point still stands regardless of your rhetorical antics and disingenuous replies.


#15

Sadly the urban educated union-supporters in WI have done all the "right" things within the law and democratic process. They are up against Koch fascism with Walker their brown shirt effectively destroying workers rights, education and allowing the Koch to pollute for profit. Can democracy fight fascism? Probably not. One is based on respect for others. The other is based on authoritarian support for wealthy dictators. Sadly with the power, money, vote fixing and ability to make elections very close, the same Kochs can either get Walker selected by their friends on the Supreme Court or use their bought House of Representatives Electoral College to select Walker President like they did Bush. Then the next election will be using a Koch ballot for your thumb print.


#16

The public needs to remember that many of the benefits we now take for granted: laws against child labor, the 40 hour week, paid vacation and sick leave, overtime pay, minimum wage--were brought to us by the sacrifices, courage, and selflessness of union members. To turn our backs on these legislative victories is to return to the early days of our history--where slavery, indentured servitude, exploitation and violence against the poor and working class families asking for decent working conditions prevailed. Do we really want this? Yes, corporations and their minions are trying to maneuver us back into this state of affairs, so we need to understand how they use language to obfuscate the issue, and resist at all costs.


#17

People who should be in our prisons are running our states, this corporate poster boy was. bankrolled by the Koch brothers and other outside Wisconsin fascist organizations, i find it ironic that he is still in office. This reflects very poorly on the people of Wisconsin, they as fellow Americans have a moral and a constitutional duty to jail Mr. Walker.


#18

Perfectly put


#19

I would phrase this a little differently: Can Democracy LEAD to fascism? After all, it was a democracy that elected Hitler, a democracy that elected W. Bush and his ilk such as Walker, a democracy that in its birth place executed Socrates. A democracy as you define it would be possible in a society whose individual units--people-- were enlightened and tolerant enough and not wearing "braces on their brains".


#20

Read Montesquieu ...


#21

Bush was selected with the help of both John Roberts and Ted Kruz who worked for the same Florida law firm. Bush thanked Roberts by making him Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and in charge of the FISA court that would connect to Bush's Patriot Act meaning he could throw any of us in a torture prison off-shore if he disliked us. That is not democracy. That is what was used by Bushco to control dictators in the Middle East and to destroy Iraq in a way that led to ISIS. We never had democracy in the south due to white supremacy that still has much power in the GOP and in states where the white south migrated. Democracy is a pretty word, but history shows it rarely exists except perhaps in some New England town halls. Vermont for example.