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Would God Really Snatch a Suckling Baby From Its Mother's Breast?


#1

Would God Really Snatch a Suckling Baby From Its Mother's Breast?

Leonard Pitts Jr.

What if God were one of us?

Singer Joan Osborne famously asked that question in 1995. In her Grammy-nominated hit, “One Of Us,” she envisions the author of all creation as “a slob like one of us, just a stranger on a bus trying to make his way home.”


#2

Granted, I am not really up to date on my fairytales, but i am pretty sure there is more than one instance in the bible where God commands someone to kill a baby.


#3

Makes me puke to think that some of these people who are now totally silent regarding the separation of children from their parents at the border are some of the same rightwing Christians goons who have spent decades trying to ram their “family values” bullshit down our throats. Where are their family values, now?


#4

Hummm. I can’t speak for God but I’m sure having a few more fact checkers wouldn’t hurt his narrative.


#5

How many Satan’s have been created since this zero-t began? Everyone of those kids will grow warped beyond repair. They will never find their way to gawd or geezzus. Their collective violence from PTSD will make a vet’s PTSD look like a walk in the park on a sunny day. How many enemies have we created world-wide from this? How, if it happens at all, will those kids find their parents, or parent find them? So many questions and no answers.

I was the victim of a violent crime at the age of 9. The resulting PTSD destroyed my life and the lives of those around me. Is this to be yet another why for the ghoul’s of Washington to destroy amurika?


#6

Trump’s God is Money.

That is all he believes in.


#7

Can one be a progressive if one is against illegal immigration for reasons of overpopulation?

Does it have to come down to ripping children away from parents? Can we send planned parenting that goes against their ruling religionists?

Could we help their countries so people don’t have to emigrate in the first place?
Can we stop persecuting socialism that helps the poor?
Can we get the CIA out of the business of regime change and supporting Contras?
Can we stop stealing their resources and killing and impoverishing the already poor?


#8

The Bible is a large book. A long read from front to back. It covers a lot of ground, historically speaking. It appears contradictory only to those who’ve actually read it. Instead of just using it.
To make it easier just focus on Hammurabi’s One Golden Rule & The Sermon on the Mount ( 8 Beautitudes ). And, add salt to personal taste.
It helps to understand the original meaning of the words used in these two guides and to realize they’re really, really old, too. Before the Flat Earth Theory and Intelligent Design, even. Also, these things are truly misogynistic, hierarchical and prejudiced, and just plain batshit crazy, sometimes.
I hope this helps.
Have a truly blessed Father’s Day.


#9

Well there is competing interests such as this:

Legal immigrants matter too.


#10

I love Mr. Pitts articles, but here is something in this story he failed to bring up. Some of these “Illegals” who are having there children taken from them, are not illegals at all. They are here to request asylum from persecution in their own countries, and have told the border agents this when they approach the boarder. Arresting these people and removing their children is against international law. Once again the leaders of this country have acted as though we are above the law and not accountable to the rest of the world. Once again, I’m ashamed to be a American.


#11

Wouldn’t they prefer Indian Dreams to American ones if we stopped stealing their best and brightest?


#12

Well according to statistics the U.S. is the third most popular destination for immigration and it continues to grow. The thing about H-1b visas is they are temporary so they have a choice. Most choose to become permanent residents but it takes a long time.


#13

HB-1 and EB-1 Visas, ways to steal talent from other countries?


#14

Actually, God would do much worse as documented below from the Bible:

Isaiah 13:18
Their eyes will not pity the children.

Hosea 13:16
Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

1 Samuel 15:2–3 <<<
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.

1 Samuel 22:19 <<<
And Nob, the city of the priests, smote he with the edge of the sword, both men and women, children and sucklings . . . with the edge of the sword.

Psalm 137:8–9
O daughter Babylon, you devastator! Happy shall they be who pay you back what you have done to us! Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock!

Isaiah 13:11–18
I will punish the world for its evil. . . . Whoever is found will be thrust through, and whoever is caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes.

So much for a God of love.

I am an atheist. I do not believer that God (any god) exists today, ever existed, or ever will exist. If, any case, God does exist. Why would I want to associate with such a psychopathic asshole?


#15

Like anything it is exploited but you might be surprised by who is recruiting them. Countries that provide free education sometimes have a surplus of talent. One of my friends physical therapist was from Sweden and while she would rather be in Sweden to meet her professional goals she came here. No where near as dark as illegal immigrant though.


#16

Superb!


#17

The media fail to ask the real question----what is going on in these other countries? and what can the US do to make these countries more democratic? Of course then we might get into the history of what role the US has played in these countries. Just look at how the US has allowed thousands of guns to pour into Mexico in effect destabilizing our neighbor. Its all for profit.


#18

Anyone can be whatever they want. And clearly, these days, anyone can call themselves whatever they like!

That said—no, I don’t think one can oppose immigration, for any reason, and be Truly progressive!

Why not? Because the nation-state, which has always been a dangerous angel, begins to look like sheer madness as we recognize that to survive and progress here, we humans must act as we are: one species, with the power to f _ _ _ things here up for everyone more than any other species can.

One species, with the power—and therefore, the responsibility—to evolve Life here in a way no other can, for all our relations.

One diverse tribe within the one wildly diverse family of Life.

We’re going to have to act as we are, if we want to progress. We’re going to have to act as if we belong to the Earth, not the other way around.

If we act like we belong to the Earth, who among us is empowered to dictate where any may roam or reside?

And as seas rise and the land goes through its changes, who will be able to stop people from moving in response? Would we want others to turn us away if we needed to flee from ecological disaster in our familiar dwelling place? Can any of us be sure that we won’t need to?

As to overpopulation—there is no evidence that challenges of this nature can ever be solved by mental/legal means. Here, too, we are compelled to evolve to solve. And making or maintaining divisions among us based on “patriotism” is not an aid to cooperative, creative learning.

(Maybe it’s time for matriotism! Faithful devotion to our common Mother, the Earth…)

We all respond to the intensity of this evolutionary moment—at least occasionally—by longing to be able to find solid ground someplace that looks vaguely familiar.

Someplace, any place, where we can hold to old certainties.

Someplace, any place, where we might at least “get a handle on”, if not “fix”, our seemingly insoluble and overwhelmingly threatening problems.

It’s understandable. That doesn’t mean that any such strategy will work.

Can a strategy born of the desire to fix us in place—physically, emotionally, mentally, or spiritually—be Truly progressive?

I think we all know the answer to that, even if we wish we didn’t.


#19

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

Ethically, we should accept immigrants, being as how American conservatives, their banks, wars and corporations have precipitated it. But overpopulation brings pandemics, resource depletion, pollution, war, inequality, loss of habitat and species extinctions.

We could save what species diversity is left by managing ourselves as part of a wildlife park when other countries cannot or will not.


#20

Mbrownec, while I am a poor apologist for God, your post is striking, and I’d like to respond.

Your Scriptures quotes for Old Testament Scriptures are accurate, and they express hate and barbarity that is repulsive. Your listing of Hosea 13:16 is listed as Hosea 14:1 in my NAB.

Such hateful language is difficult to read and process, and while it allows vengeance on Israel’s enemies in the Middle East, it makes no sense with the fulfillment of faith and justice in the person of Jesus and the gospel he preached of love of neighbor, including enemies, which was also taught in other Jewish learning circles of his time.

Still Jesus’ message is much-fractured, as was evidenced in Atty General Sessions quoting the verse from St. Paul’s Letter to the Romans, 13:1, to promote separation of migrant families; this verse was also quoted at one time by advocates for slavery. Never mind that 7 verses later, Paul writes, “Owe nothing to anyone, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.”